Few thoughts

- on a purely technical point he has a erm "point"- if we are all to turn gay then humanity would soon disappear
- if a religious peson thinks marriage should be between a man and a woman, good luck to them
- if someone thinks otherwise good luck to them

Personally I'm not overly bothered as, contrary both to homosexual propagandists who like to overstate the numbers of homosexuals, and contrary to religious extremists who seem to think we will all turn gay- the numbers who choose same sex relationships will remain quite tiny and as such it is rather pointless issue to get upset about

Originally posted by PharohGnosis

The Bible warned there will be a great falling away and people listening to false doctrine. You people reject true Christianity for falsehood. Embracing the decadent homosexual lifestyle will lead you straight to Hell. Sorry you refuse to accept that but don't cry to God when he cast you into the fire for rejecting him.

Don't forget about eating shellfish, and pork -- and wearing clothing that has more than 2 different kinds of fabric. Those things will cast you into the fire as well, you decadent heathens!

But keeping slaves is okey dokey.

I thought most priests became priests because they liked penises rather than vaginas? Let's face it, all these priests are closet homos and Pope BendaDICK is no exception...

Originally posted by PharohGnosis
It's because you live in darkness that you support sodomites. You'll have to answer to God on the day of Judgment. Then let's see how you enjoy roasting in eternal hellfire.

I want to be very, very rude and insulting to you, you bigot, but rules and decorum prevent it!

And the Pope is a threat to bloody humanity with his poisonous views!

Someone suggested that I stop by this thread, that I might be interested in it. I am, but I'm also saddened by it. It appears that there is only a little interest in discussing the topic of the opening post. I can only guess that people saw the words "Gay marriage" and "Pope" and fell into familiar patterns of name calling and hatred. That's easy enough to do, but I would ask you to stop following the old ruts of anger and explore love and understanding.

Let's go back to the source article

Gay marriage is one of several threats to the traditional family unit that undermines 'the future of humanity itself', Pope Benedict XVI warned yesterday.

He is simply saying that there are several threats to the traditional family unit and that gay marriage is just one of them. Since a gay family is not "a traditional family unit," his comment is neither surprising or wrong.

The pontiff told diplomats from nearly 180 countries that the education of proper of children needed proper 'settings' and that 'pride of place goes to the family, based on the marriage of a man and a woman.'

As far as I know, that is still the general opinion of modern science.

He said: 'This is not a simple social convention, but rather the fundamental cell of every society.
'Consequently, policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself. The family unit is fundamental for the educational process and for the development both of individuals and states.
'Hence there is a need for policies which promote the family and aid social cohesion and dialogue.'

Can we argue that the family is not the fundamental cell of society? Or does anyone wish to argue for policies which weaken instead of strengthen the family?

There may be room for discussion here, but not for hatred. And so many side issues were introduced in this thread:

Irrelevance? Even the article states that some people are leaving other denominations for the Catholic Church because of their denomination's position on gay marriage.

Hates gays? Homophobia? Wants to see gays in hell? Those are all obviously false The consistent position of the Church is that gays are loved, and it wants to see gays saved from Hell.

The Church sex scandal? Sure, a terrible thing. In the US the percentage of priests who were alleged to have sex with minors was 4%, the same as in the American population as a whole. A kid was as safe with a priest as with the average American. It was nothing unique to the Church.

The cover-up? Their may have been cover-ups out of fear and guilt, I don't know, but the Church was following the best medical advice at the time. They were relying on science.

Nazis? Oh, please.

Oh, my opinion? I see homosexuality as similar to a lot of other human traits. For just one example, pick greed. There may be a greed gene, greed may be introduced through upbringing or the environment. I want greedy people to have eternal life in heaven, but greedy acts are going to get in the way of that. I'm perfectly prepared to say greedy acts are wrong, and not resisting impulses to act greedily is wrong. (Yes, there may be some confusion here between wrong and sinful, but I wasn't being completely precise.)

I'd really enjoy talking this over, but I'm not much of a shouter or hater.

With respect,
Charles1952

I am sure that I will get hammered on this but the Pope and the Catholic Church should be disbanded. They have no moral authority today after their actions in the church pedifile scandal.

This just their typical religous dogma doodoo ......

Shouldn't the Catholic Church and their Nazi Poop be disbanded after running a child pedifile escort service using the church as a cover for a criminal enterprise? By shielding priests and even intentionally scrubbing the records and complaints about abuse the church is the main actor fasciliting such abuse?

If this was not a "church" nations across the world would put them down like a rabid dog for humaties sake.

It does seem strange that the church would open its mind to aliens and evolution, but not homosexuality, even though it's a part of the natural world. Claiming it is going to destroy the human race is beyond absurd. If anything it will help with the overpopulation issue, but it's absolutely silly putting out intentionally hateful statements about what the "church" believes. I thought this pope was turning things around, but I guess I was wrong.

The Bible warned there will be a great falling away and people listening to false doctrine. You people reject true Christianity for falsehood. Embracing the decadent homosexual lifestyle will lead you straight to Hell. Sorry you refuse to accept that but don't cry to God when he cast you into the fire for rejecting him.

Does "true" Christianity include quotes by Jesus? If so, then what happened to judge not? Turn the other cheek? Hate the sin, not the sinner? If people want to "sin" by your standards, then why should it bother you? I don't believe in a god of vengeance and hate. It doesn't make sense, and I can't fathom that concept.