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Originally posted by lampsalot
I actually do think he is. But, I think he faked pictures to make people believe, like Erich Von Daniken has before, because they feel it's justified since they haven't got hard evidence yet firmly believe (or possibly even know) aliens exist.
I also strongly dislike the fact Meier is making a religion out of his experiences. I think the beings he's encountering are likely pretty upset with him.
Originally posted by Gazrok
Like Meier, I am about to make a prediction, one that will come true: this thread will be placed in the HOAX bin.
Congratulations! Your ability as a prophet far surpasses Mr. Meier!
Originally posted by DaarkSyde2012
Not sure about Meir, haven't really dug into his material very much yet, the whole UFO thing, for me anyway, is bunk until positive proof is revealed. As far as Van Daniken, this is the first I have heard of him faking anything, do you have any links or pics to back this up?
Originally posted by lampsalot
Well I think the fact some of his stuff is fake doesn't necessarily mean he's never seen any aliens ever. I think he faked the stuff so people would believe him, because his real contacts happened mostly early in his life and they didn't leave any evidence or let him take pictures of anything.
Originally posted by mahigitam
There is no evidence that he has faked pictures with models & other techniques.
In 2008, after it was conclusively shown that there was no way for an audio cassette tape recorder to record any inaudible sounds, Michael Horn said in an on-camera interview, "twenty-four were indeed in the audible range. The eight inaudible sounds were determined through the calculations in a formula based on the existing sounds."
So, he said on camera that there never were any inaudible frequencies recorded in the beamship recording. As stated earlier, Michael Horn’s own website has a document called UFOSoundRecordings.pdf that states the following:
"Jim Dilettoso, our research consultant, took samples of this noise to Peter Gimer and Rick Coupland of Micor in San Francisco. There they performed tests in the audible range, from 20 Hz to 2000 HZ. They found twenty-four characteristic frequencies within the audible range and eight outside of it. They found all thirty-two frequencies concurrently at different amplitudes and volumes. All thirty-two tones are somehow produced simultaneously."
This certainly doesn't sound like the eight inaudible frequencies were "determined through the calculations in a formula based on the existing sounds." It clearly states that the eight "inaudible" frequencies were part of the original recording.
NOTE: A Scanning Electron Microscope with Energy Dispersive Spectrometry (SEM-EDS or SEM-EDX) can be used to determine the composition of an object, but none of the Billy Meier metal analysis documents I have seen have mentioned using this enhanced form of Scanning Electron Microscopy.
We could see at this point that there are atleast 3 more things we must do with these specimens. We should have an X-ray diffraction analysis and Scanning Electron Microscope Photographs to determine the structure of the alloy--how it is put together. We should also perform an Energy Dispersive X-ray examination, and try to get a good quantitative analysis, which will be difficult with the small specimens available.
...skeptics will update their information when new data comes along. Which is what I did when Ivan made his analysis. I didn't even take down the now incorrect analysis because it is important for people to have access to the complete record of events.
Although it is important to know everything that was written about this metal, we will concentrate on these three claims:
1. The 1983 book UFO…Contact From The Pleiades Volume II , the 1987 book Light Years: An Investigation Into The Extraterrestrial Experiences Of Eduard Meier , and the 2001 book And Yet…They Fly!  all state that research chemist Marcel Vogel used a scanning electron microscope to analyze the metal sample.
2. All three books also state that Marcel Vogel detected the rare-Earth element Thulium using the scanning electron microscope.
DECEMBER 2011 UPDATE: Some Of The Information Presented On This Page Is Out Of Date. Click HERE For The Update.
This is the original investigation done by the IIG one the Billy Meier Metal Samples Analysis done by Marcel Vogel. We found that the arguments presented originally were not completely accurate. The IIG completed a thorough analysis of this section which includes more of the evidence presented by Vogel: click on Updated Metal Samples Analysis Deconstruction
All Meier and Horn do is lie and say that they never said the incorrect statement in the first place, even though the lie was previously published for all to see.
Originally posted by mahigitam
I would like to know in what instances did Meier & Horn made incorrect statements. I am not interested in personal mails but that which pertains to the case.
"..a strong probability for an accident near Lyon, which can be prevented as long as the responsible individuals undertake the right steps --- a prophecy can be changed."
"First of all, France has the most nuclear power generating plants, 59 in all, of all developed countries. If you were a betting man, you would not need psychic or extra-terrestrial powers to guess that France might be the country to be most likely to have a nuclear accident. This is like saying that China will have the most coal mine deaths, and it has a yearly average of 3,000 deaths already."
"But, to make it even more ridiculous, the 2001 event cannot be described as an accident either. There are 5 reactors at the Bugey nuclear power station. There was a decree on August 30, 1996 to decommission the Bugey 1 reactor. In 2001 the scheduled shutdown and dismantling of the reactor began. That’s it."
"Six professors of forestry looked at Meier's photos and looked at the trees and each one determined that the trees are full size mature trees and not models."