You are wrong about Iran., page 3

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

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I read your original post and you haven't addressed the OP. Instead you just rambled.

Originally posted by superman2012
1) Iran had a big rally and they all were shouting “Death to America”. They want YOU dead!?

There are extremists to every culture. The ones that chant this phrase are not only America’s enemies, they are Iran’s enemies as well.

Point 1 destroyed, watch and weep. Mahmoud personally encouraging the crowd to chant these slogans. Do your worst to debunk what he is saying. Funny how you people would call down Christians in the west for extolling hatred towards muslims, but would never dream of doing the opposite. Hypocrites.
www.youtube.com...

From here.

Originally posted by superman2012
2) Iran is building nuclear weapons according to the IAEA report.

No.

Obviously neither side has proof. My gut tells me they are, but my mind tells me that we cannot bomb them, even if they are. If others can have nuclear weaponry, how can we possibly stop others. My main fear here again is that these are religious fanatics. I dont want these type of people to have the bomb. And yes, i realize Bush was much the same. I didnt want him having the bomb either. See? It IS possible to dislike both sides!

And for whats its worth, i think your article is older than this one:
www.reuters.com...

Originally posted by superman2012
3) Iran is part of the NPT, and they are not complying with it even though they must as they are a signatory!

Some NPT (Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty) parties are adamant that the United States and other nuclear weapon states are not complying with their own obligations, namely, to pursue nuclear disarmament.

So, some countries are expected to follow their obligations because they are signatories, but others don't have to? Please explain...

No need to explain anything, i want the USA, Russia, China, Pakistan, Israel, India, North Korea, et all to be on board. Complete transparency for all in this aspect. Surprised im not a complete hawk and want it only for Iran? Its funny how people assume simply because i do not like Iranian leadership that im competely pro-west.

Originally posted by superman2012
4) This isn’t about oil, this is about Iran getting nukes.

Agreed. We all know everything America does is primarily for its own best interests. In this case however the USA could never get away with waltzing in and taking their oil. China may only hold back until they realize the USA is staying, not just bombing nuclear infrastructure and Republican Guard bases then getting the hell out. Taking a valuable chunk of Chinas oil would certain move them to action. No one wants this.

Originally posted by superman2012
5) Iran doesn't want the IAEA in their country.

Iran has invited the U.N. nuclear watchdog to visit for talks, a senior Western diplomat said on Tuesday, but it was not clear whether the IAEA would accept without a commitment from Tehran to address suspicions it is seeking atomic weapons.

Dont understand this point at all. Of course the IAEA is not going to put any merit into a tour designed by the Iranians. If the IAEA want to ask questions about suspicions of creating nuclear weapons, thats their perogative. Purposefully dodging those questions certainly doesnt further their cause.

Originally posted by superman2012
6) They want to "wipe Israel off the map".

Yeah, this point has been argued to death a millions times. Depending on how you translate, it can come out differently. After watching the first clip i posted for point 1 of Mahmoud extolling the crowds to chant "Death to Israel! Death to USA!", i can believe it.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

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or if you are working for the Iranian propaganda industry, the pieces of silver to betray your fellow arabs and fellow men is not worth it.

So because you can't prove the OP wrong or come up with an argument, then it means we're working for the Iranian propaganda industry?

Your post is comedy gold. Do you actually believe the drivel you post?

Seriously...wipe your mouth....you've got some excrement coming out of it.

reply to post by nightbringr

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Point 1 destroyed, watch and weep. Mahmoud personally encouraging the crowd to chant these slogans. Do your worst to debunk what he is saying. Funny how you people would call down Christians in the west for extolling hatred towards muslims, but would never dream of doing the opposite.

I've embeded your video. Well the OP mentioned about death to America, but in this video you've provided Ahmadinejad says that everybody the world over is shouting "death to Israel." So he says Israel, not America as the OP was stating.

However still that is disgraceful that he is doing that and I don't condone it in the slightest.

reply to post by nightbringr

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Point 1: Not all Iranians feel this way. I don't agree with their leader as well, but, I also don't agree with Harper. Just because I am Canadian doesn't mean that I want Iran sanctions. It works both ways.

I agree with everything else you said except this:

And for whats its worth, i think your article is older than this one:

Mine was from Dec...yours was from Nov.

I await your next post.

reply to post by nightbringr

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Obviously neither side has proof. My gut tells me they are, but my mind tells me that we cannot bomb them, even if they are. If others can have nuclear weaponry, how can we possibly stop others. My main fear here again is that these are religious fanatics. I dont want these type of people to have the bomb. And yes, i realize Bush was much the same. I didnt want him having the bomb either. See? It IS possible to dislike both sides!

To be honest with you I don't think I can really disagree with anything you say there. I agree with the majority of that actually.

reply to post by nightbringr

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No need to explain anything, i want the USA, Russia, China, Pakistan, Israel, India, North Korea, et all to be on board. Complete transparency for all in this aspect. Surprised im not a complete hawk and want it only for Iran? Its funny how people assume simply because i do not like Iranian leadership that im competely pro-west.

Again I don't disagree. All parties to the NPT should abide by it's rules. By it's rules Iran has abided it by it. Unfortunately Israel, India, Pakistan and North Korea have not signed it yet all have nuclear weapons.

reply to post by nightbringr

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Agreed. We all know everything America does is primarily for its own best interests. In this case however the USA could never get away with waltzing in and taking their oil. China may only hold back until they realize the USA is staying, not just bombing nuclear infrastructure and Republican Guard bases then getting the hell out. Taking a valuable chunk of Chinas oil would certain move them to action. No one wants this.

I'm not sure whether it's about oil or not, but it's certainly about stopping Iran from altering the balance of power in the Middle East. It's debatable whether China would take action or not....I'm not sure really.

reply to post by nightbringr

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I starred you for addressing the OP's points.

It's far better than petty argument.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

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You have nothing to offer this thread so I'm just going to ignore you now, unless you can come up with something constructive, which I very much doubt.

Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

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You have nothing to offer this thread so I'm just going to ignore you now, unless you can come up with something constructive, which I very much doubt.

I agree. I ran out of troll food anyways on this thread.

reply to post by superman2012

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Point 1: Not all Iranians feel this way.

So let's say those people chanting death to Israel are a minority.

Do those minority warrant a military attack on Iran. I'd categorically say no.

However if Iran did acquire nuclear weapons would they use it as a tool of deterrent or do they actually go all out and use it, which in the event would get themselves destroyed?

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

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There is nothing I can do for you besides point to a picture that someone found of you.

Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by superman2012

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Point 1: Not all Iranians feel this way.

So let's say those people chanting death to Israel are a minority.

Do those minority warrant a military attack on Iran. I'd categorically say no.

However if Iran did acquire nuclear weapons would they use it as a tool of deterrent or do they actually go all out and use it, which in the event would get themselves destroyed?

I agree with you as well. They do not warrant an attack just because of a minority. I think they would use it as a deterrent as no nation wants to be reduced to rubble. They may not care about the west or Israel but, they do need to be a nation in order for the people in power to remain in power. Plus, why would they care about the sanctions or trading with Africa if they were planning a mass suicide attack?

Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by nightbringr

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Point 1: Not all Iranians feel this way. I don't agree with their leader as well, but, I also don't agree with Harper. Just because I am Canadian doesn't mean that I want Iran sanctions. It works both ways.

I agree with everything else you said except this:

And for whats its worth, i think your article is older than this one:

Mine was from Dec...yours was from Nov.

I await your next post.

I added my last two points as an edit to my earlier post.

Thanks!

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