What if Bigfoot is human?, page 1

reply to post by SG-17

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I think this is the working theory.
Hence the surprise. What a good hider!

reply to post by SG-17

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I like to think it's Chuck Norris before his morning shave

reply to post by SG-17

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That's a novel idea. I hadn't heard about the DNA before, but I always thought they'd be more along the lines of gigantopithecus, and the lack of corpses probably due to a combination of their habitat, possible instinct of moving to remote or hidden 'graveyards' (like elephant graveyards?), and/or how quickly remains will break down in temperate climates.

Would only a single base-pair difference allow for such a different appearance, etc.?

reply to post by SG-17

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I agree with the title "What if Bigfoot is human" since most of the time they are human... In costumes. . Interesting theory, but there is still no hard evidence of Bigfoot in North America or Asia... Yet!

Originally posted by Praetorius
reply to post by SG-17

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That's a novel idea. I hadn't heard about the DNA before, but I always thought they'd be more along the lines of gigantopithecus, and the lack of corpses probably due to a combination of their habitat, possible instinct of moving to remote or hidden 'graveyards' (like elephant graveyards?), and/or how quickly remains will break down in temperate climates.

Would only a single base-pair difference allow for such a different appearance, etc.?

Somewhat, but not much. Most of the difference can be explained by selection.

If Bigfoot spent decades migrating across the Bering Land Bridge (and without clothing) selection would favor larger and hairier individuals to retain heat. So even if the Bigfoot species started out looking pretty much human (5-6ft, thin hair) it would have been selected down to larger and thicker-haired individuals. The shorter, thinner-haired individuals would have died before they could breed, especially without having fire and clothing.

reply to post by SG-17

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I too have considered this and can you imagine how heightened it's sense would be? Evolving unfettered with a human brain in the wild, it would be the supreme predator, hunter gatherer, scout and have the ability to avoid most detection. The fact that evidence has not been definitively captured by today's tech makes me believe that it could also possess some type of mystical abilities as described by some Native American stories.


But I always thought, what if one of our subspecies was left to evolve in the wild, with human like intelligence for thousands of years. Surely it would possess abilities that other animals and/or humans have not yet developed, including psychic like awareness/abilities and undetectability. The Einstein of the wild? Reaching here I know, but in the spirit of wild speculation, who knows?

Peace,
spec

reply to post by SG-17

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Thanks, friend...I could see selection playing some part, but that drastically different from humans who have long lived in similar climates, with just a single base pair difference?

How closely related to neanderthal are we, exactly? I know most report it as unfeasible (if not outright disproven?), but bigfoot fairly closely resembles the NPT version of neanderthal, so I could see that as a more likely fit.

reply to post by SG-17

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That is basically what I said on the thread about the Yeti fingers which some outfit in England declared to be human. Believe me, I don't know genetics, but suppose that creature, more human than any other animal, used what we call "junk DNA" as part of its actual being? Conversely, what would be junk to it would be the genes for blond hair and blue eyes, etc.

If that finger actually is human, then we can expect them to give us additionally information, a rundown on its genetics which would included the area and groups from which it came. If they do not, we can suspect a coverup. Damn! Great! A new conspiracy in the making! Maybe.

reply to post by Praetorius

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Modern humans and Neanderthals share 99.9% of our DNA. In fact modern humans and Neanderthals have been confirmed now to have interbred extensively. All humans that are not pure sub-Saharan African share anywhere from 1% to 4% of their genome with Neanderthals.

As for the fact that modern humans have also lived in the same climate as what the Bigfoots would have migrated through; we have no evidence that Bigfoot use clothing or fire (both of which allow humans to live in Arctic climates with little physical changes). The only thing that we can infer that is remotely tool usage is wood-knocking and rock throwing.




To the idea of Bigfoot having "mythical" powers, I personally reject that. Everything observed in Bigfoots can be explained by nature.

reply to post by SG-17

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I can't argue most of that, so thanks again.

I can't remember if we've ever discussed it (don't think so as I found an old thread) - have you ever looked into Neanderthal Predation theory? Even if it's got to be discounted, it's neat stuff and I'd like to get your thoughts on it in light of your thread here and see if maybe you think it could at all tie together (and explain all the missing people around the world annually!! )

Well, maybe not that last bit and probably nothing there, but still.

reply to post by Praetorius

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While it is possible that Neanderthal were more aggressive and possibly cannibalistic towards modern humans, I sincerely doubt that they look like what is portrayed in the NP Theory. We know for a fact that Neanderthal had mastered clothing and fire. They would have had no evolutionary or environmental reason to grow thick hair like that and their skin color would most definitely be white, not dark black.


If Bigfoot is a homo species it would have to have split off from humans before homo erectus, either that or it forgot how to use fire and clothing. Since Erectus was the first human species to use both or either.

reply to post by SG-17

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I'd write tons of letters to you, but instead, i'd recommend intervention theory by Lloyd Pye. don't want to say more. see and be amazed. it's on youtube, 80 mins, 8 parts.

reply to post by Narcissous

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There is no objective evidence for "alien intervention" in human evolution. Please do not muddy this thread with the supernatural and extraterrestrial. This is for Bigfoot, a creature that has plenty of physical, visual, and auditory evidence captured by numerous people in numerous environments.

DNA Paper is probably currently either in peer-review for a journal or in the press embargo stage....flip a nickle on it, but this was current as of last fall. The below documentary does not preclude an official scientific abstract, yet to be released, but it's a start in proving they are possibly human.

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Application Title: Sasquatch: The Tribe Revealed
Title: Sasquatch: The Tribe Revealed
Copyright Claimant: Melba Stinnett Ketchum. Address: P O Box 455, Timpson, TX, 75975, United States.
Creation of Work Began: 2008-04-07 (Approximate)
Date of Anticipated Completion: 2011-06-22 (Approximate)
Projected Date of Publication: 2012-02-15 (Approximate)
Authorship on Application: Melba Stinnett Ketchum.

Description of Work: A film and/or documentary, narration or audio book, supporting photos and literary paper/document/book that will follow the The Sasquatch Project, the scientist and the scientific testing and proof for the existence of Sasquatch/ Bigfoot. Information will include discussion of results including A New Tribe of Living Humans, the complete Sasquatch mitochondrial genome sequence and nuclear DNA variations and text will show complete mitochondrial (mt) genome sequences were identified from DNA, analysis of the assembled sequence unequivocally establishes that the Sasquatch mtDNA falls inside the range of modern human mtDNAs and discussions of the origins thereof. The proof that the Sasquatch is not only the closest living human relative but is actually a contemporary living human. Also discussed is nuclear DNA testing performed on the same samples and the variations found in various genes including MC1R gene RUNX2 and FOXP2 as well as other targets genes involved in the perception of sound, transmission of nerve signals, the production of sperm and the lactase gene. Also discussed is how testing has ruled out ape cross and any ancient contributor and that Sasquatch is indeed a modern human with some genetic mutations accounting for their physical appearance. Also included are discussion of the history of samples and circumstances surrounding the acquisition, their testing, the circumstances surrounding the entire Sasquatch DNA Project. Documentary stars Melba Ketchum, et al

reply to post by SG-17

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I agree with you about the bodies. If they are linked to humans I think it is very possible that they respect the dead or at least have some form of interment. It is common for chimpanzees and elephants to dispose of their dead so why not big foot?

reply to post by SG-17

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Maybe bigfoot and the abominable snowman are the mutant offspring that resulted from prehistoric humans mating with neanderthals?

Genetic evidence suggests inter-breeding took place with anatomically modern humans between roughly 80,000 and 50,000 years ago in the Middle East...

Or perhaps bigfoot and the abominable snowman are the mutant offspring that resulted from Cromagnons mating with neanderthals?

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