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The United States – A "Propagandist" Rogue State by Definition

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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:12 PM
I go to the store to buy a bottle of wine and some cigarettes, I have a full beard and I get asked for my ID, it's "company policy".

I'm required to pay money to "the people of Illinois" for putting them in danger(I guess?) if I don't wear my seat belt. The money doesn't go toward anything to make any improvements, or any people I know or like.

Two words... administrative leave.

NDAA, signed by the president despite reservations. I have reservations about not paying my income tax, maybe I should just go ahead and do that. Oh wait, I can't, seems I'm not paying anything, it's being taken from me even before I have it.

Hundreds of thousands of people are incarcerated for harmless substances. The "War on drugs" is really the "War on a significant portion of the people", wake up, you are paying for someone to oppress you or your neighbors.

Thousands of American's die in foreign countries at the stroke of a pen, in the name of "defense". I always thought when you are "defending" something that isn't yours, it's offense.

Fast food is bad for you and it's perfectly legal, costs a dollar for the nastiest # and it's everywhere.

Federal agencies criminalize people selling food locally, this affects my own grandmother who runs a shop at an innocent farmers market.

A company or court system costs you thousands of dollars wrongfully or due to negligence? File a complaint, be prepared to wait for the rest of your life for compensation.

The MSM is basically propaganda fed to us, it's so obvious it's stupid. Why is this allowed to be?

Ever had to talk to a cop who is protecting and serving YOU? A large number of people go their entire lives without experiencing it, in fact, a large number of people would just rather never talk to police officers. What is wrong with this?

Though many police officers will be more than happy to arrest you on here say or guilt by association.

Ticket quotas... how is it exactly that this is justified? A presumption that a certain number of people will commit a crime? No, it's obviously a tool to put the livelihood of police officers on the line and force them to oppress people.

All kinds of people with skills related to infrastructure repair and upholding our society are unemployed in favor of people who don't want to do #, but sit behind regulations and milk the system.

Apparently, being black counts as bonus points on an employment application. God forbid a white person complain, you know, since we personally enslaved and reigned over everyone for hundreds of years. # individualism, let's just throw everyone into groups.

^ Fix Me ^

What is wrong here? I don't think it is the OP. We are told all through our childhoods that "this is just the way it is", I am here to say: No, it's not "just the way it is", it is whatever we make it.
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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:15 PM
Not sure why everyone blames the US. We all know the elite has no specific race or nation. It's a global issue, us just happens to be apart of it.

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:17 PM
If we cannot see past the problem, we will never see the solution.

America is a place of many wonders, it's people being one of our greatest.

We work hard to provide a better life for those closest to us, and farthest away too.

America gives more in foreign aid than any other country.

The very small percentage of people here who are actively killing others for resources and profits are doing so in our name, but Joe America is a pretty warm hearted guy.

I am saddened by the OP, facts don't lie. But do not misunderstand the big picture, we are not a country of sheep and tyrants. We live in a reality that is always changing, and as such, we have the guarantee that it will not always be this way. What it becomes, comes from Us. Only through education and knowledge will things improve, and for your contribution...

S & F, OP...

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:35 PM
Minutemen.....of the American Revolution....were considered terrorists.

They were our founding fathers.

Are there any countries that haven't committed some or are all things on your list? UK? France? Iran? Iraq? Russia? China? Israel? Pakistan? India?

Seems ashame to single out the Americans without bringing everyone to the 'rogue nation' dinner table.

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:11 PM
reply to post by tothetenthpower

As a Canadian I agree strongly with you take on the dangerous road being tread by our two nations. Back when we had a Liberal government, I took great pride in the fact that we did not succumb to the pressure of joining in the invasion of Iraq, and choose to bow out of that international disaster.

Since the Harper conservative government has taken power Canada has felt more like a watered down version of the the U.S. Rather than a sovereign nation with it's own identity and global attitudes. In short our government has turned us into a North American "yes man" of sorts.

In recent elections I have noticed a disturbing trend of using American style fear tactics and mud slinging to gain power and promote legislation. This used to be fairly foreign to our political discourse. When I first noticed this about 2 elections ago, I felt this tactic would not be successful on our population, because of our different attitude to ourselves and our role in the world. Unfortunately I was wrong.

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:17 PM
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

Stop the anti-USA bashing now. There are FAR WORSE hate filled propaganda against those whom only seek to ensure our world survives from those whom are hell bent on destroying mankind. Propaganda will get us nowhere. Only truth, no matter how painful it may be, can help in our progress and evolution.

Seek the truth, and comprehend it yourself, and only then can you be convinced, for no mortal can convince you if you already had pre-conceived notions and judgements against another.

I don't think I was being anti-USA, I was merely stating a fact. The only reason they didn't drop the bomb in subsequent wars was the fear of an actual nuclear war. I don't have pre-conceived notions or judgements, I go by the facts. It seems you are out of earshot of the truth.

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:31 PM
Every country has *rogue* factions operating in the government. These elements are always the elements who perform secretly (a : kept from knowledge or view : hidden b : marked by the habit of discretion : closemouthed c : working with hidden aims or methods) covertly (Adjective: Not openly acknowledged or displayed.) and [color=Cyan] lawlessly (a : not restrained or controlled by law : unruly b : illegal.)

Was Oliver North a rogue faction?

North admitted that he had lied to Congress, for which, among other things, he was later charged. He defended his actions by stating that he believed in the goal of aiding the Contras, whom he saw as freedom fighters, and said that he viewed the Iran-Contra scheme as a "neat idea".

Was Kermit Roosevelt Jr. a rogue faction?

Perhaps the most general conclusion that can be drawn from these documents is that the CIA extensively stage-managed the entire coup, not only carrying it out but also preparing the groundwork for it by subordinating various important Iranian political actors and using propaganda and other instruments to influence public opinion against Mossadeq. Source

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:47 PM
reply to post by HeavierThanLight

You can't even spell like anyone would listen to you. It's not jumping on the bandwagon if you are simply learning the facts.

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:48 PM
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Yes and yes.

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 06:00 PM
I agree with the OP however in this respect I must take the immediate opportunity of this thread to show that:

As an example of how NWO governments and servile MSM have distorted the meaning of words:

A rogue is a vagrant person who wanders from place to place. Like a drifter, a rogue is an independent person who rejects conventional rules of society in favor of following their own personal goals and values.
In modern English language, the term rogue is used pejoratively to describe a dishonest or unprincipled person whose behavior one disapproves of, but who is nonetheless likeable or attractive. Source

By the very definition of the word "rogue" we can see that a "rogue" can not be a nation state or a regime.
A "rogue" is an individual and not a group of people.

And this is how the citizens of every country and nation were brainwashed by the MSM to destroy the meaning of words, just like in George Orwell's 1984.

Definition of ROGUE

: vagrant, tramp
: a dishonest or worthless person : scoundrel
: a mischievous person : scamp
: a horse inclined to shirk or misbehave
: an individual exhibiting a chance and usually inferior biological variation

And again

rogue (rg)
1. An unprincipled, deceitful, and unreliable person; a scoundrel or rascal.
2. One who is playfully mischievous; a scamp.
3. A wandering beggar; a vagrant.
4. A vicious and solitary animal, especially an elephant that has separated itself from its herd.
5. An organism, especially a plant, that shows an undesirable variation from a standard.
1. Vicious and solitary. Used of an animal, especially an elephant.
2. Large, destructive, and anomalous or unpredictable: a rogue wave; a rogue tornado.
3. Operating outside normal or desirable controls:
1. scoundrel, crook (informal), villain, fraudster, sharper, fraud, cheat, devil, deceiver, charlatan, con man (informal), swindler, knave (archaic), ne'er-do-well, reprobate, scumbag (slang), blackguard, mountebank, grifter (slang, chiefly U.S. & Canad.), skelm (S. African) He wasn't a rogue at all.
2. scamp, rascal, scally (Northwest English dialect), rapscallion a loveable rogue.

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 06:09 PM
Has anyone mentioned NED (National Endowment for Democracy) yet? Once you deconstruct the Orwellian doublespeak of the name, it is, in fact, a terrorist organization.

And as far as harboring terrorists, are there any more vicious terrorists organizations active on the planet today than Goldman Sachs and the other investment bankers? They ought to be tried for war crimes. They destroy and defraud entire countries and then push the American military in to mop up for them. Even more chilling than the supposed "religious fundamentalist/fanatics" that usually get tagged with the "terrorist" label, these investment bankers are not driven to evil as a result of any sort of martyrdom zeal in pursuit of religion, they are motivated, like the psychopaths that they are, purely by expediency in pursuit of material profit. Many of their CEOs are American citizens, and they all openly maintain offices here.

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 06:18 PM
reply to post by tothetenthpower

Yes you are quite right, imho this country has been hijacked! Maybe we should all hang our flags upside down and send the world the message that we are prisoners of war on our own turf. Our allies and brothers and sisters may then understand that the people are not the enemy but this rogue corporate banking governing body. The WAR? does not any longer exclude American citizens now. And I am now considered a terrorist for even simply disagreeing with the fascist policy's of this rogue police state. We are being subjected to eugenics and slow holocaust.

A distress signal is an internationally recognized means for obtaining help. Distress signals take the form of or are commonly made by using radio signals, displaying a visually detected item or illumination, or making an audible sound, from a distance. A distress signal indicates that a person or group of people, ship, aircraft, or other vehicle is threatened by grave and imminent danger and requests immediate assistance. Use of distress signals in other circumstances may be against local or international law.

may be against local or international law?

Me thinks this very situation does apply to signal of distress. There is no oversight and due process when applied to the rights of the people. There is no congressional oversight er the politicians " corporate owned blue chips" as in pawns or as what many refer to paid actors. Only the people and our military to fight back with tooth and nail. Our dissent has been displayed, oppressed and stifled. The last bastion of hope is with Ron Paul.

Good news : Militias membership's are surging at an all time high

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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 06:27 PM
All of this is old news... Mostly true yet I am way beyond this type of education. This is good for the beginner, however so good post.

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 06:31 PM
This is what is so great about propaganda. A whole host of people, experts even, arguing about the quality of a "rogue" nation's attributes versus the US. This is fantastic, as the "political" structure of a country is NOT what makes up a rogue nation. The rogue nations were/are holdouts from joining the central bank/imf structure.

North Korea, Cuba, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and Sudan were countries that were "rogue" from the banking reality of one central bank. They were holdouts. End of story, the rest is arguing the mcguffin, the red-herring, the propaganda.

This what I love about the propaganda, the PR talking points become facts, the facts become part of the reality fabric, then they are argued as if they are meaningful, when in fact they are cover story lies meant to hide the truth.

Is the US a "rogue nation?" NO! They are full members of the central bank! This is the only fact, yet this thread will go on for 25 more pages, people arguing the PR facts about the US and the terms that make up the "rogue nation" meme. The truth should be the end of the discussion, but it won't - I love the power of propaganda in action.

BTW, NK just lost its leader, so I expect they are off the the list - unofficially. Iraq we know is off, Cuba has new leadership and is probably unofficially off, Libya is off and Sudan as well. Syria must fall before Iran gets whacked. When syria falls into line - they will very soon, there will be only one Rogue Nation left - sadly Iran will not fall in line and is destined to be nuked as an example to any future rogues.

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 06:44 PM
Thank you OP. This thread should be a launching pad for ATS members to Deny their own Ignorance.
Do your own research people!

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 06:50 PM
How about you go live in Iran for a year, and see what a true totalitarian, rogue state is, before you jump on the 'the us is evil and hypocritical' bandwagon.

P.S-If its totalitarian, overthrow it. Simple, many people will back you.

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 06:58 PM
reply to post by RSF77

WOW so true I too constantly ask myself these questions

City ordinance for example, here you are not allowed to own certain breeds of dogs now why? Because a cop ended up shooting a pit bull after it attacked and killed a child. This dog was abused fed gun powder and raw meat and made to be a fight dog by it's owners. The owners even received a huge amount of sympathy and were never charged for neglect. The baby was left unattended while the dog roamed free. However all pit bulls are deemed to be a menace to society in this city because of one incident. Mind you several other breeds have been shot and killed on sight that were not even threatening the officer. Even shot the dog when it was behind a fence in front of several witnesses. Of course the cop was never charged with dog murder. This targets dogs because they protect owners from the police farce.

Another city ordinance, you are not allowed to have a derelict vehicle on your own property or in plain sight. This might be "offensive" to your neighbors or a eye sore. It's just ridiculous. The fine can range in the thousands. This targets poor people who do not have thousands of dollars to repair a vehicle but are not willing to have a half working vehicle towed away. Then they have no vehicle at all. But are expected to have thousands of dollars?

And guess what most of the city council are bankers and run corporations. They simply are indifferent to people outside of their tax bracket. In the case of a vehicle being an eye sore... who cares? I don't know anyone that is so distracted by some lemon in someones yard and just say 'OMG that is just atrocious my day is ruined" pass the grey pupon. Someones livelihood and transportation is of less importance then what one would find appealing. It's not like everyone can afford a brand new Mercedes.

So many other ordinances to flame, so many laws created to benefit the rich

end of rant

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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 07:02 PM
For further reading I suggest one should read Noam Chomsky - Failed States. Although he is a far left and often contreversal author, no one can deny his intellectual consensus and in this book he makes a compelling argument that America is a "failed state". By definition if one were to describe a failed state it would be describing a state which has failed to carry out its functions. The principle factor and where the state derives its power from is a monopoly on the use of force, however in his book Noam Chomsky describes many characteristics of the failed state and compares them to the modern US state. It is really interesting as one would ussually regard a country such as Somalia as a failed state, not the US.

posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 07:06 PM

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Ah, excellent question.

The people of the countries you listed, KNOW they are limited in their freedoms. They know the extent of the governments power as the government reminds them consistently.

Meanwhile i see the United States going down this road mainly because of embracing lefttist ideology, sorry but it's the truth, I also know for a fact that in at least some of those countries you mention there is a lot more propaganda, and people really have far less limited access to information than ANYONE in the U.S.

For example, communist countries limit what information their people are able to access, and even remove, or have complete control over ALL sorts of media, communication, and information sources.

Not to mention the fact that people in those countries are constantly being indoctrinated, since childhood, to accept the dictatorship where they live, and to view it as 'the best thing in the world".

Trust me, there are far worse places in the world than the U.S., but unfortunately we are going down the same lane as these other ountries because many people are accepting the same propaganda which turned these other countries into socialist/communist dictatorships. Which is exactly what is happening in the U.S.

People like you simply can't understand it because you haven't experienced life in one of those other countries.

You think information in the U.S. is controlled?...
If it was there wouldn't be so many different sources of information, and you wouldn't be able to access websites like this one.

In countries like Cuba for example, a regular Cuban CAN'T access websites like this one, and they are constantly monitored. The only people who actually have SOME access to the internet are doctors, and researchers, but they have their own "internet" and it only has information about the work they are peforming. But if some of that work puts a stain to the dictatorship in the island, that information is removed.

EVERYTHING you see posted for example in the "C.I.A. website" and other world websites about Cuba comes directly from the dictatorship's mouth. It should be more than apparent to anyone that there is massive information control on that island by the fact that no independent Human Right group is EVER allowed to investigate what happens in the island.

Unfortunately Americans fell asleep at the wheel and decided not to listen to the warnings given by former Russian, and Chinese military officers who somehow knew what would happen not only in the U.S., but in other countries. Not to mention that many, if not most leftwingers are so brainwashed that they are not willing to listen even to the millions of people who have escaped socialist/communist dictatorship.

The United States has been turned slowly into another socialist dictatorship, not because of capitalism, but because of SOCIALISM, leftwing policies, and because many Americans, in their ignorance, are willing to embrace ideals which history has proven only brings suffering, and death.

And you know what the worst part of it all is?

That just like many other people around the world who have NEVER seen what is like to live in one of those countries you mention, people in the left are not willing to listen to e xperience and reason.

Just watch the first video in that website i gave and it will tell you exactly why the United States is turning into a dictatorship, and it is not because of "capitalism".

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