Nicotine Is Not Dangerous, page 5
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reply posted on 1-1-2012 @ 12:49 PM by Algernonsmouse
reply to post by TheRedneck



So....

You rip into me because of what YOU FAILED to read.
Then instead of actually reading it, you get snotty and say some more things that make no sense and are just argumentative because of again, what YOU FAILED TO READ. In response to pointing out we could have a real conversation if you just take the time to read before responding, you just move on. Gosh, thanks for taking special note of that earned and repayed respect part.

Been really interesting learning from you I guess.


reply posted on 1-1-2012 @ 02:32 PM by Awoken4Ever
reply to post by TheRedneck



I am letting you have the last word. Happy New Year my friend



reply posted on 1-1-2012 @ 03:43 PM by TheRedneck
reply to post by Algernonsmouse
Can you show me one anti-smoking law that was passed just to make smokers lives more isolated. That exact criteria and you need to back it up.

That depends...

If you mean laws passed that have the effect of making enjoyment of societal activities difficult for smokers, and which override a property-owners right to set policy on their property, you need look no farther than this Wikipedia page.

If you mean a law that states, in those exact words used, that its intent is to socially isolate smokers, no. No law is going to phrase things that way.

You apparently haven't noticed that I failed to reply to your last posts. That was not an oversight. I exposed you for the type of irrelevant conclusions you make based on grammatical and linguistic points only. No further debate is either productive or desirable for me because of this.

I might point out that I just vehemently disagreed with Awoken4Ever, but we both presented our side of the debate, countered each others arguments, and in the end parted friends. That is how debate works, not by trivializing or demonizing one's opponent, not by making talking points out of typos or misspellings, but by comparing and supporting one's views.

Because otherwise all I am reading from you is...

Just to make you feel better...

Whaaaaaaaaaaa, people dirty look me when I blow smoke in their face at dinner whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I hope that makes you feel better.

(Oh, I would like to thank you for giving me the incentive to post a list of links to some of the studies done. Other readers might find them interesting.)

TheRedneck


reply posted on 1-1-2012 @ 04:24 PM by anonentity
reply to post by Awoken4Ever



Nicotine patches are being abused, i've heard admitedly anacdotal, that people are sticking them on before going to bed to induce opium type dreams.So the anti smoking lobby have started a new drug craze.It seems when big pharma start to make money they get a lot of collateral damage.


reply posted on 1-1-2012 @ 04:36 PM by TheRedneck
reply to post by varikonniemi

I'd appreciate more info on this as well, please? I had not considered substances other than nicotine for the addictive effects of smoking.

TheRedneck


reply posted on 1-1-2012 @ 04:47 PM by Narcissous
reply to post by Azmodan85



there's a much older way of smoking tobacco. using a bong. basically it just moves through a lot of way, and is filtered with water, and there is no paper burning whatsoever. one third of a cigarette gives you a good headrush, and then you do not really need it. i do it about three times a day, for years, and have never experienced any bad consequence on my health, and i am not hooked yet at all.(somedays i go through without it and i do not even feel the need.) a gram of good quality tobacco just gives all, without the bad taste. btw, there's no filter on it, which is known to exude carcinogens when exposed to heat. which gives you cancer. i can only recommend to smokers, that when smoking at home, use a bong, it does not make it healthier, but it drastically reduces the negative aspects of smoking. even the smoke isn't that awfully bad.


reply posted on 1-1-2012 @ 07:22 PM by anonentity
reply to post by Pervius



An interesting reminder is that "nicotinus Virginius" the plant the native american indians smoked..Is not the same as the comercial leaf thats grown for the tobacco industry. The use of the real tobacco is purely used to produce the nicotine which is sprayed on to the commercial leaf.A couple of puffs on "Nictotinius virginius" is enough to send you into Opium type dreams hence "Pipe of peace".Some poisons can be smoked without killing you, if you ate a cigar you'd be dead before you got to the end of the snack.


reply posted on 10-1-2012 @ 08:06 PM by tetriswoooo
reply to post by Azmodan85



its partially the social aspect but mainly its the 40,000+ chemicals that the tobacco companies put in i have switched to chop chop (completely natural tobacco) and its easy for me to go a few days without a cigarette but when i was buying commercial tobacco i couldn't go for more than 12 hours without a smoke

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