Nicotine Is Not Dangerous

YUP...sure is....And Im a SMOOOOKER.....(Waterworld)

But as any other day, if i eat 10kg a fries each day i get cancer.
If i eat 10kg of chips (read OLW) i WILL die of cancer.....

And if a highly respected scientis comes tomorrow
and say the SUN IS BLUE not yellow....

Hes right??!?!?!?

Right?

reply to post by TheRedneck


The blood pressure raising part of smoking sort of helps me as I have low blood pressure. That said I haven't smoked cigarettes in years. They used to give me all kinds of problems, especially smokers hack. I read up on all the chemicals they add to cigarettes and, because I was a chemical operator for 20 years, I realized that it was the added chemicals that were causing my problems.

I switched to small cigars.They are all natural tobacco with no added chemicals. I've been smoking them for the last few years and all the problems caused by cigarettes have gone away. No more shortness of breath. No more smokers hack. Nothing, I can enjoy my smoke without the government mandated poisons.

I'll bet your homegrown tobacco will be awesome. Enjoy

reply to post by Algernonsmouse


Firstly its the only thing that delays or stops Altthiemers..Its an appetite suppresant..the rise in obesity with the fall in smoking is not a coincidence.Its a great stress reliever. Its a social interactive.Is was actually prescribed to stop an Asthma attack...Its not the smoking its the additives in the tobacco thats the danger..moderate use is not the problem.The highest cause of death in non smokers is bowel cancer..smoking encourages peristalsis...another fact that lung cancer is higher in those that have never smoked.I could go on but like in hitlers germany, the BS. will die in time.Like do you want a long misserable life?

reply to post by lonegurkha

I have smoked cigarettes for about 35 years, and smoked cigars before that (and I inhaled the cigars). I switched from cigars to Marlboro Full Flavor (aka 'cowboy killers') and stayed with that brand throughout. A few years ago, about the same time prices were going through the roof, I started developing a hacking cough after all those years. I switched due to the price, but the cough disappeared after only days of smoking home-rolled cigarettes.

I also dropped the amount I smoked... went from 2+ packs a day to barely over a pack, and not because I tried. My body simply got what it needed from less smokes. I have had people who smoked all their lives try one of mine and get a nicotine 'rush'. Apparently, there's more of the good stuff and less of the bad. And the best part is, my cost for a carton of smokes is about $10. As soon as I get my own tobacco growing, it will be about $2 (just because I like filters ).

Less money, more nicotine, less junk chemicals... I am amazed everyone doesn't roll their own.

TheRedneck

reply to post by TheRedneck


Or you could just smoke American Spirits if you are going to smoke. Down side is they are a lot more expensive. I have also noticed a drastic difference in the cough since I got away from the main brands years ago. Every time I do smoke a regular cig now all I taste and feel is the chemicals in them. You can't really notice the difference unless you move away from them to a naturual tobacco, additive-free, smoke for a while and then try one of the regular ones. Kind of amazing. It's also why people that smoke regular smokes can't stand American Spirits when they try one. The thing they don't realize why it's so different is because it doesn't have all the chemicals in it they are use to.

I am not advocating smoking at all. It's a disgusting, horrible, next to impossible addiction to get away from. However, if you are going to smoke at all, get away from the regular name brand smokes. It will take you a while to get adjusted to them, but once you do, you can never go back.

Personally, I desperately wish I could just get away from the habit all together. Smoking is one of the only addictions you can't see the impact it is having on your life until it is too late. Drugs, alcohol, sex, etc...if you are not in denial, you can see the ramifications it is having on ones life immediately and can make corrective measures (to some degree). In other words, it's more obvious with other addictions than with smoking, and more of an encouragement to get off it sooner. With smoking, it could take 30 or 40 years, and then it is too late.

Can't stand the things at all, but it has been one of the hardest things in my life to try and give up! This article saying they aren't addictive is completely ridiculous. Reminds me of the old commercials of doctors stating how good cigarettes are for you or how wide spread acceptable it was at one point. I still get a kick out of the old NASA or government footage where everyone has an ashtray lying by them and a smoke dangling from their mouth.

LOL...I remember when you could lay in a hospital bed and actually smoke while you were in the hospital and an oxygen outlet only feet away from your bed. Stand in line of a grocery store with a cigarette dangling from your mouth. Thank God it became unacceptable and kids aren't growing up with it being so acceptable anymore. I wish they would just permanently make them illegal already IMO. The ramifications to society in health care costs are staggering enough. Thank God times have and are changing on this issue. I went out to a state earlier this year and couldn't believe people could still smoke in restaurants that didn't have a designated smoking area closed off. I was actually blown away by this coming from a smoker. I never smoke around someone else where it could have an impact on them. Wish this was the standard everywhere.

reply to post by Awoken4Ever


If you want to give up smoking just get some snuff.Have a snort when you feel the need.After a while you cant be bothered.As soon as you get used to not opening and lighting cigs your usually free..the nicotine only stays in the body for twelve hours.Just be wary of snacking then the weight will go on.

reply to post by Awoken4Ever

Yeah,I remember trying some called Cherokee brand. They tasted soooo good without all the chemicals. Unfortunately, they became impossible for me to find. Now, of course, there's no way I will ever go back to pre-rolled cigarettes; the cost savings alone is enough reason for that.

I will disagree with you, vehemently, about the restrictions on smoking, however. I am a citizen as well, sir, and I pay taxes and work for an honest living like anyone else. Yet, all the pleasures and niceties of society are now closed to me. I cannot eat a meal in a nice restaurant without walking outside into the weather to have that needed after-dinner smoke. I cannot sit through a movie in a theater without undergoing a nicotine fit or missing a large part of the show. I cannot ride a bus without that same nicotine fit, shop for long in a store, have a drink in a bar... all because someone in the government has decided they want to exercise control over private property. All because I choose to hold onto one lone vice in my life that I truly enjoy. Drunk drivers get better treatment than I do, and they kill innocent people every day.

I am treated as sub-human. Why? Because I see the holes in the 'evidence' used to demonize tobacco, and refuse to go along with the crowd.

Thank you for wishing I could be made into a full-fledged criminal.

TheRedneck

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Originally posted by TheRedneck

I am sorry that it is that difficult for you to not smoke around people. I can surely understand one having the right to smoke whenever they want from your argument.

However, I don't think your personal right should infringe on the health of someone else because you should have "your" rights. I don't think it is fair that cocktail waitress of years working in a casino should have to suffer the long term ramifications of second hand smoke and the final consequences she might face because she is trying to feed her kids and you don't feel like standing outside.

I also don't think it's fair for the amount of kids that are stuck in the back seat of a car without any windows down, and sucking up all that poison because the driver is too stupid to wait until they are out of the car. I don't think it was fair that my father use to smoke in the car with no windows down and that burning I would have to endure in my lungs EVERYWHERE we went, because the result of begging him to roll down the window would result in unfair physical abuse.

I don't think it is fair that I was sent into a store my whole life as a kid to buy him a pack of smokes because he was too damn lazy to get out of the car and do it himself.

I don't think it was fair that he left his cigarettes alone unattended and exposed me to them all the time thinking it was OK psychologically to endure a lifetime of an addiction I have found impossible yet to beat, and was smuggling them off away from him all the time. I don't think it was fair that the first time I ever had a cigarette was when I was about 8 or 9 years old.

I don't think it was fair the violent physical abuse he put on me when he did catch me smoking "while" he had a cigarette hanging from his mouth while beating me for the same very thing he was doing while he did it. What kind of a message is that sending??

I don't think it was fair that every time I turned on the TV as a kid, because my moron parents were not paying any attention to spending time with their children, and found it easier to stick you in front of a box that was loaded with commercials for smokes, tv shows where they smoked, to allow this kind of programming to be put in my head.

I personally wish they were outlawed completely so that no child has to grow up thinking it is OK to shove poison down your throat for a 30 second high that you can't even feel anymore but what you are really after. I think it was unfair that I wasn't given that choice to make as an adult instead of a kid. By 14 years old, I already had the addiction fully in me.

I don't think it is fair that someone like me is stuck with this horrible life long addiction because because people are too stupid to think for themselves and see the ramifications of what kids learn from us even at a subconscious level. I think it's pretty gross that there are people out there that are too stupid to police themselves and need to be policed.

I don't think it's fair that amount of health care costs that have gone up so drastically around it are being eaten up by people that never smoked at all. Much of these costs to take care of these related diseases went out the window to all the big tobacco companies when you bought that pack of smokes, and now someone else is footing the bill for us that never had anything to do with it.

I am treated as sub-human. Why? Because I see the holes in the 'evidence' used to demonize tobacco, and refuse to go along with the crowd.

No because your subhuman to think there are actually holes instead of just some of the facts I pointed out above. What you do to yourself is one thing, what you do to others is another thing. If you seriously think their are holes in what you want to do and what it will do to other people then I am sorry for you.

Thank you for wishing I could be made into a full-fledged criminal.

I am not trying to make you a full-fledged criminal, but you would be if you are raising children and smoke around them. Where are their rights? Statistically the kids who smoke today are the ones who come from families that smoke by staggering amounts. So because you can't sit through a two hour movie, don't feel like standing outside in the rain, and think it's OK to bring your addiction and possible diseases on to other people because you are too lazy to go outside is quite absurd sir. I have no sympathy for you or your feelings. Just like you obviously don't for others because you "feel" your rights are being taken away.

Drunk drivers get better treatment than I do, and they kill innocent people every day.

This is the most absurd part of your argument by far though. Obviously you have never had a DUI based off this statement, but something tells me you really have though too. This statement alone is just way to classic for me. This one is a keeper!

And now I am going to step outside my home and have a smoke

Originally posted by Azmodan85


Roughly it says that nicotine in it self is not dangerous and not very addictive. It's the social aspect of cigaretts that make you addicted
What are your thoughts on this?

True...BUT.... They add chemicals in them to make them much more addictive. So it is not just a social thing.

There are brands out there that have no additives, but they are few and far between in my experience.

reply to post by gimme_some_truth

Huh?? This isn't true at all. If it wasn't the nicotine that was addictive, then why is that the gums, patches, inhalers, etc...which only have nicotine in them, reduce the cravings? Why do they give a smoker stuck in a hospital that is a nightmare to deal with because he can't go out and smoke a patch to get through it? The ingredients on the patch is "nicotine" not "nicotine + all the carcinogens."

reply to post by Awoken4Ever

Is it fair that the cocktail waitress has to work for sub-minimum wage and tips? No. but she choose to do so.

Is it fair that some people are born with diseases and others are born healthy? No.

Is it fair we smoked our first cigarette, under similar circumstances, at about the same age? No. I almost didn't take it up; that Camel unfiltered turned me green (I still can't smoke Camels without getting a headache). Luckily, I discovered cigars.

Bottom line: life isn't fair.

We could debate the whole "my rights vs. your rights" all day long, and neither of us would give an inch. You believe it is my duty to bend my lifestyle to suit your convenience, while I believe you have the right to go elsewhere if you do not like where you are.

But here is where you really get carried away:

No because your subhuman to think there are actually holes instead of just some of the facts I pointed out above.

You do realize there is medical evidence that disproves any link between second-hand smoke and health risks, right? You do realize that it is easy for tests to be conducted in a biased manner so the desired outcome is certain? Those are the holes I speak of. Research the facts, instead of anecdotal evidence from what was obviously a miserable childhood, and see for yourself. You may well find that there are aspects to nicotine use that are positive.

I am not trying to make you a full-fledged criminal, but you would be if you are raising children and smoke around them.

I did. Does that make me a criminal in your mind?

My daughter is now married and on her own; but before she got married she earned her AS in Psychology at age 19, graduating Suma Cum Laude. She didn't use the transcripts she earned during her High School junior/senior summer when she was allowed to attend the Rural Health Scholars Program at the University of Alabama... she liked the A she got in Creative Writing, but didn't like the B she got in Chemistry.

My son is finishing up his senior year in High School. He probably won't go to college for a while, since he will be a certified CNC Programmer and Machinist upon graduation. He won his first and second year local competitions, won the state competition last year, and placed 5th in the nation this past summer. He also holds a Short Term Certificate in Precision Machining. He's got one more year of contests to go, and is already getting requests for job applications.

He does plan on returning for college after a couple of years... as an aerospace engineer.

I smoked around both of them since they were six months of age. We rode in the car together, and I smoked. I smoke in my house; I didn't buy it so I could stand outside it in the rain and cold. Both are healthy and sound. Neither smokes, incidentally.

Yeah, I deserve prison time over that poor performance.

This is the most absurd part of your argument by far though. Obviously you have never had a DUI based off this statement, but something tells me you really have though too. This statement alone is just way to classic for me. This one is a keeper!

Not really. DUI convictions carry a stiff sentence, yes, but it is over within a couple years. The treatment I get will last an entire lifetime. Something tells me you really do know where I am coming from, but somehow have convinced yourself that your actions as a smoker are so heinous as to deserve to be despised.

You're wrong. You are a human being with inherent rights and worth as much as anyone else. There's no reason to beat yourself up (and especially to beat others up) over something you obviously enjoy but won't admit to enjoying. After all, if there was no enjoyment in those cigarettes, addiction or no, you could find a way to quit. I simply admit to enjoying mine, as I believe I deserve a little happiness in my life. I have never tried to quit; I know it will be extremely hard, probably extremely painful. But if I ever stop finding enjoyment from sucking in the vapors of the evil burning tobacco leaf, I assure you I will find a way to stop.

And now I am going to step outside my home and have a smoke

Enjoy! I'm having one right now... in the comfort of my own home. And I don't feel guilty for it.

Neither should you.

TheRedneck

Of course nicotine isn't dangerous in itself...unless you inhale it into your lungs.
Just like a bullet isn't really a threat to anybody, unless it happens to fly at you from a gun....
Politics...there'll always be a way to say that white is black, and black is white.

Nicotine IS very dangerous. My dad worked with a professor when he was in college and a little drop of pure nicotine split on a stool. The prof sat on the chair and the Nicotine soaked through a lab coat, blue jeans and a pair of thermal underwear (Idaho in the winter). The man was dead in 5 minutes. So yes nicotine is very dangerous. On the other hand in micro doses you body can handle it quite well and eliminate it before damage happens. As far as the addiction goes the nicotine causes the adrenal glands to produce/release Adrenalin. This is what is addicting. Have you ever wondered why there is stress there is a need to smoke. You crave that adrenalin. You get addicted to this increased flow of adrenalin. and this also explains when a person stops smoking he/she gains weight. Less adrenalin that the body is now used to having and less fat is burnt. As far as smoking goes the tars are what causes the long term and cancer risks.

reply to post by remembering


Nicotine is basicly Nicotinamide ie vitamin B3..the lack of B3 gives you Pellagra one of the most horrible ways to die.In the Southern states their corn diet was B3 defficient hence a great deal of deaths by Pellagra in the poorer populations which had a poor diet, around the time of the civil war..But Tobacco would save you...So theirs some good research that suggests mild B3 defficiency apes Schitzophrenia...We are seeing a rise in this disease..an increase in Altzhimers..definiatly an increase in Obesity.and rises in Bowel Cancer. people haven't been smoking for 500 years just for a laugh. But its only recently the crap has found its way into taylor made cigs, Mainly the additives, of which rice is used as a filler...burnt rice is carcinogenic.In fact they change the tobacco into a mush,spray nicotine on it and add about 140 poisonous chemicals to enhance the flavour and the shelf life..They turn it to mush and then dry it so the rolling machines can handle it...Grow your own or roll them.

reply to post by remembering


Nicotine is basicly Nicotinamide ie vitamin B3..the lack of B3 gives you Pellagra one of the most horrible ways to die.In the Southern states their corn diet was B3 defficient hence a great deal of deaths by Pellagra in the poorer populations which had a poor diet, around the time of the civil war..But Tobacco would save you...So theirs some good research that suggests mild B3 defficiency apes Schitzophrenia...We are seeing a rise in this disease..an increase in Altzhimers..definiatly an increase in Obesity.and rises in Bowel Cancer. people haven't been smoking for 500 years just for a laugh. But its only recently the crap has found its way into taylor made cigs, Mainly the additives, of which rice is used as a filler...burnt rice is carcinogenic.In fact they change the tobacco into a mush,spray nicotine on it and add about 140 poisonous chemicals to enhance the flavour and the shelf life..They turn it to mush and then dry it so the rolling machines can handle it...Grow your own or roll them.

My grandmother lived to the age of 105, and she was surrounded by heavy smokers all her life.

It is just the luck of the draw.

Originally posted by butcherguy
I am a smoker.
I quit for 12 years, then started again.
I quit for 9 years another time, then started again.
I intend to quit again tomorrow night, cold turkey, as that has worked before.
Nicotine is a poison. A large enough dose will kill you.
It is an insecticide.
It is most definitely addictive, IMO.

Sixty milligrams of nicotine (the amount in about 30-40 cigarettes [1]), has the potential to kill an adult who is not a smoker[2] if all of the nicotine were absorbed. This figure is ~120 mg in chronic cigarette smokers, smoking an average of 20 non-light cigarettes delivering ~1.7 mg of nicotine each daily. One cigarette's-worth of nicotine is enough to make a toddler severely ill. In some cases children have become poisoned by topical medicinal creams which contain nicotine.

Source: Wikipedia

edit on 30-12-2011 by butcherguy because: To add.

you need three weeks to get unhooked from nicotine and your physical cravings will go away. sounds like you need to cure yourself from your mental addictions to nicotine. first you gotta tell yourself you are not missing anything by not smoking. why would you need to start smoking again when you smoke after a long time of not smoking, it tastes like crap?

Originally posted by PsykoOps
Nicotine is addictive. Not quite as addictive as coffeine thought. It is not poison thought. It is poison only in huge amounts and if purified. You might as well say water is poison because enough of it will kill you.

Nicotine is poisonous in very small amounts. That is like saying anything poisonous is not poisonous because you can, if you try, avoid it altogether.

How about we compare the amount of nicotine it takes to kill an average adult and the amount of water it takes.
Yes, I mean ingestion before you get all variable crazy.

I am mainly curious why anyone would take the time to post lies in favor of cigarettes in the year 2011. It is too late for this kind of stupidity here in this world at this point in time. Debating birth certificates and lights in the sky is one thing but people trying to argue nicotine is just vitamin b and we need more of it is crazy.