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Originally posted by septic
Project much?
Originally posted by snowcrash911
Originally posted by septic
Project much?
Lest I forget: if all else fails, there are always the oneliners.
Thoughtless, paltry oneliners designed to achieve maximum distraction with minimal effort.
This forum has rules for decorum; foul language is seen as a violation but deliberately and repeatedly foisting emotional wedge issues such as "the 9/11 victims are fake" onto a forum is ten times more offensive yet does not violate the T & C. It is within this lacuna the provocateur thrives. One can be offensive and disruptive very easily without violating any rules; the provocateur simply waits for his detractors to step over the line and thereby self-terminate.
Should the opposite happen, the script calls for theatrical rants about "censorship" which further underscore the "persecution" cited as evidence for hoax claims, in lieu of actual evidence.
So... complicit in the attacks? That's a bit much, but does organized disruption and hoax promotion help the 9/11 cover-up by sabotaging efforts to expose it? You bet.
Of course, the inquisitive 9/11 beginner asks: but what if any of those no planer/no victim claims were true, wouldn't we want to know? Yes, of course, which is why, despite their offensive nature, using the framework of science, historiography and epistemology, these claims were investigated in the interest of fairness and objectivity, and found to be baseless; mostly based on meaningless hairsplitting in the face of massive, cumulative evidence to the contrary, reversal of the burden of proof and deliberate misdirection, deception and distortion.
Originally posted by septic
reply to post by kybertech
Good thread, it's interesting to see how folks allegedly from opposite "sides" circle the wagons and agree certain topics are off limits.
Originally posted by snowcrash911
So... complicit in the attacks? That's a bit much, but does organized disruption and hoax promotion help the 9/11 cover-up by sabotaging efforts to expose it? You bet.
Of course, the inquisitive 9/11 beginner asks: but what if any of those no planer/no victim claims were true, wouldn't we want to know? Yes, of course, which is why, despite their offensive nature, using the framework of science, historiography and epistemology, these claims were investigated in the interest of fairness and objectivity, and found to be baseless; mostly rooted in meaningless hairsplitting in the face of massive, cumulative evidence to the contrary, reversal of the burden of proof and deliberate misdirection, deception and distortion.
Originally posted by kybertech
You know what my problem with this is: The same debating tactic is used by mainstream theory supporters against any conspiracy theory.
Originally posted by kybertech
Look at the Myth-Busters hitpieces on thermate, they use some selfmade termite, conclude from their experiments that the theory has no scientific basis and omit that proponents state a nanofabricated compound was used.
Originally posted by kybertech
On this forum OCT proponents argue that the burden of proof lies with with the opponents
Originally posted by kybertech
and when that proof is provided it is discarded as 'discredited' (Steve Jones infamous red chips for ex...)
Originally posted by kybertech
The result is in case of 9/11 we have these 'camps'
Official conspiracy theory, fuled by the NIST report scatted on every board
Nanofabricated termite demolition theory, fuled by Steven Jones
No real plane theory & media fakery, fuled by Simon Shack
Pre-Demoltion & ommitted construction, fuled by Letsrollforums
Nuclear demolition, fuled by Dimitri Khalezov
Directed energy weapons, fuled by Judy Wood
Every camp has plenty of 'contrary evidence' to 'debunk' incompatible theories and since Steven Jones was on the infowars radio show he has been declared as the sole guru of righteousness on the subject.
Originally posted by kybertech
The provocateur label for originated on the pisonplanet forum and was only recently adapted here
Originally posted by kybertech
So to put it in popular terms: Go back to infowars
Originally posted by snowcrash911
Originally posted by kybertech
The result is in case of 9/11 we have these 'camps'
Official conspiracy theory, fuled by the NIST report scatted on every board
Nanofabricated termite demolition theory, fuled by Steven Jones
No real plane theory & media fakery, fuled by Simon Shack
Pre-Demoltion & ommitted construction, fuled by Letsrollforums
Nuclear demolition, fuled by Dimitri Khalezov
Directed energy weapons, fuled by Judy Wood
Every camp has plenty of 'contrary evidence' to 'debunk' incompatible theories and since Steven Jones was on the infowars radio show he has been declared as the sole guru of righteousness on the subject.
He was the only one in 9/11 Truth circles actually employing the Scientific Method properly. The same thing cannot be said for Shack, Khalezov or Wood. Unfortunately, Steven has since degenerated into absurdity, expertly destroying his own reputation and thereby all hopes for his paper. Strange, that. Of course, "debunkers" will claim his paper never proved anything to begin with, and they will fail to make that point as usual. The only possible explanation that doesn't involve nanothermite in the WTC is Steven and his entire team fabricating data. That argument, I can accept. The rest... is rank mendacity.
“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.”
― Noam Chomsky
Originally posted by firelight
reply to post by kybertech
Its getting harder and harder for even the hardcore deniers to ignore the obvious. Certain sites and their "usual suspects" will do their best to throw digital sand into the eyes of the curious, but the 911 genie is already out of the bottle. Most of the conspiracy sites are likely operated by our friends at Langley, for our own good of course.
The sites that allow discussion of all topics and aren't afraid of the weak-kneed sacred cows of the controlled sites, are the sites that are blurring the line between conspiracy theory and conspiracy history.
“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.”
― Noam Chomsky
www.goodreads.com...
[More evidence that] the 9/11 movement is diverting energy and attention away from far more serious crimes -- and in this case crimes that are quite real and easily demonstrated.
Originally posted by kybertech
He has chosen the right format to publish his work, while others failed to do so.
But there is only so much you can do with something like a video recording or digital image. People work what is available to them and publish in the way they used to.
So should I assess superior rigor to a work because the way it is presented? I don't think so!
Originally posted by snowcrash911
Originally posted by firelight
reply to post by kybertech
Its getting harder and harder for even the hardcore deniers to ignore the obvious. Certain sites and their "usual suspects" will do their best to throw digital sand into the eyes of the curious, but the 911 genie is already out of the bottle. Most of the conspiracy sites are likely operated by our friends at Langley, for our own good of course.
The sites that allow discussion of all topics and aren't afraid of the weak-kneed sacred cows of the controlled sites, are the sites that are blurring the line between conspiracy theory and conspiracy history.
“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.”
― Noam Chomsky
www.goodreads.com...
We can all quote Chomsky:
[More evidence that] the 9/11 movement is diverting energy and attention away from far more serious crimes -- and in this case crimes that are quite real and easily demonstrated.
― Noam Chomsky
Oh... And snitchjacketing is merely a way for the feeble-minded to redefine a CIA agent as "somebody who disagrees with me". It feeds into the persecution/victim playing gambit mentioned earlier, meant to support fringe theories in lieu of actual evidence. After all, if something is unwanted and despised it must be true, forgetting that such involuntary ostracism can be explained just as easily by the inherent nuttiness of the something in question.
Testimonials. Testimonials are quotations, in or out of context, especially cited to support or reject a given policy, action, program, or personality. The reputation or the role (expert, respected public figure, etc.) of the individual giving the statement is exploited. The testimonial places the official sanction of a respected person or authority on a propaganda message. This is done in an effort to cause the target audience to identify itself with the authority or to accept the authority's opinions and beliefs as its own. Several types of testimonials are:
Official Sanction. The testimonial authority must have given the endorsement or be clearly on record as having approved the attributed idea, concept, action, or belief.
Four factors are involved:
Accomplishment. People have confidence in an authority who has demonstrated outstanding ability and proficiency in his field.This accomplishment should be related to the subject of the testimonial.
Identification with the target. People have greater confidence in an authority with whom they have a common bond. For example, the soldier more readily trusts an officer with whom he has undergone similar arduous experiences than a civilian authority on military subjects.
Position of authority. The official position of authority may instill confidence in the testimony; i.e., head of state, division commander, etc.
Inanimate objects. Inanimate objects may be used in the testimonial device. In such cases, the propagandist seeks to transfer physical attributes of an inanimate object to the message. The Rock of Gibraltar, for example, is a type of inanimate object associated with steadfast strength.
Personal Sources of Testimonial Authority:
Enemy leaders. The enemy target audience will generally place great value on its high level military leaders as a source of information.
Fellow soldiers. Because of their common experiences, soldiers form a bond of comradeship. As a result, those in the armed forces are inclined to pay close attention to what other soldiers have to say.
Opposing leaders. Testimonials of leaders of the opposing nation are of particular value in messages that outline war aims and objectives for administering the enemy nation after it capitulates.
Famous scholars, writers, and other personalities. Frequently, statements of civilians known to the target as authoritative or famous scholars, writers, scientists, commentators, etc., can be effectively used in propaganda messages.
Nonpersonal Sources of Testimonial Authority:
Institutions, ideologies, national flags, religious, and other nonpersonal sources are often used. The creeds, beliefs, principles, or dogmas of respected authorities or other public figures may make effective propaganda testimonials.
Factors To Be Considered:
Plausibility. The testimonial must be plausible to the target audience. The esteem in which an authority is held by the target audience will not always transfer an implausible testimonial into effective propaganda.
False testimonials. Never use false testimonials. Highly selective testimonials? Yes. Lies (fabrications)? Never. Fabricated (false) testimonials are extremely vulnerable because their lack of authenticity makes them easy to challenge and discredit.