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Speaking at the Foreign Office launch, the foreign secretary admitted that the British government did not keep a tally of fatalities, but "that doesn't mean that one has to accept every figure someone comes up with".
Her downplaying of the report was echoed by Downing Street, who rejected the Lancet figure outright, calling it not "anywhere near accurate."
Tony Blair's official spokesman said: "The problem with this is that they are using an extrapolation technique from a relatively small sample, from an area of Iraq which isn't representative of the country as a whole.
"We have questioned that technique right from the beginning and we continue to do so. www.guardian.co.uk...
The British government was advised against publicly criticising a report estimating that 655,000 Iraqis had died due to the war, the BBC has learnt.
Iraqi Health Ministry figures put the toll at less than 10% of the total in the survey, published in the Lancet.
But the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser said the survey's methods were "close to best practice" and the study design was "robust".
Another expert agreed the method was "tried and tested".
The estimates, extrapolated from a sample of 1,461 adults around the country, were collected by a British polling agency, ORB, which asked a random selection of Iraqis how many people living in their household had died as a result of the violence rather than from natural causes.
Previous estimates gave a range between 390,000 and 940,000, the most prominent of which - collected by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and reported in the Lancet in October 2006 - suggested 654,965 deaths. www.guardian.co.uk...
The average American believes that 10,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the US invasion in March 2003. The most commonly cited figure in the media is 70,000. But the actual number of people who have been killed is most likely more than one million.
This is five times more than the estimates of killings in Darfur and even more than the genocide in Rwanda 13 years ago.
On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB (Opinion Research Business), an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far. From the poll margin of error of +/-2.5% ORB calculated a range of 733,158 to 1,446,063 deaths. en.wikipedia.org...
Some 4,500 US soldiers and more than 100,000 Iraqis have died in the war. www.bbc.co.uk...
Some 100,000 Iraqis are also thought to have lost their lives.
Originally posted by Evanzsayz
reply to post by Liberal1984
Over 1 million is the number, and as far as I am concerned war was never declared we invaded a country...so the people that took up arms against the US military (combatants) were also civilian casualties because all they were doing was defending their country. If Russia invaded USA and civilians fought Russia army they would be called what we now call taliban/terrorists.
You left Ron Paul right until the end. Nice propaganda
Over 1 million is the number, and as far as I am concerned war was never declared we invaded a country...so the people that took up arms against the US military (combatants) were also civilian casualties because all they were doing was defending their country.
Why is that propaganda? I always thought propaganda was too “deliberately deceive” Well how was I being deceiving??? Otherwise I’ll assume you’re the one being deceiving by miss-using the term “propaganda”.
TextPropaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position so as to benefit oneself or one's group.
As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda is often biased, with facts selectively presented (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political, or other type of agenda. Propaganda can be used as a form of political warfare.
Its propaganda. You are a Ron Paul propagandist. That is pretty clear. You seem pretty defensive about it too.
You know the funny thing is I agreed with you. You should choose your battles better propagandist.
I think this subject is well worthy of discussion, but including those 2007 figures makes the entire thing seem like it isn't reputable.
Statistically, had Saddam remained in power he would have killed off more people, based on the number of deaths in his two decade tenure prior to Gulf War 2. On that basis alone, the invasion seems justified.
I don’t believe in “sides” not in politics anyway. There is only groups, truth, agreements and conspiracies. And if even there were sides you wouldn’t be on mine –certainly not so long as you call me a propagandist!!
Invading Kuwait didnt exactly do him any favours, and yes i know Iraq essentially had there reasons, but Saddam probably should have thought a little bit more about that one.
It is now more than fifteen years since that fateful meeting on July 25, 1990 between then-US Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie and President Saddam Hussein that the Iraqi leader interpreted as a green light from Washington for his invasion of Kuwait eight days later.
It seems far more likely that Saddam Hussein went ahead with the invasion because he believed the US would not react with anything more than verbal condemnation. That was an inference he could well have drawn from his meeting with US Ambassador April Glaspie on July 25, and from statements by State Department officials in Washington at the same time publicly disavowing any US security commitments to Kuwait, but also from the success of both the Reagan and the Bush administrations in heading off attempts by the US Senate to impose sanctions on Iraq for previous breaches of international law. en.wikipedia.org...
In a now famous interview with the Iraqi leader, U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie told Saddam, ‘[W]e have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.' The U.S. State Department had earlier told Saddam that Washington had ‘no special defense or security commitments to Kuwait.' The United States may not have intended to give Iraq a green light, but that is effectively what it did." walt.foreignpolicy.com...
Propaganda is when you try in influence people. Its doesnt have to be a bad thing. Its bad that you dont know what it is even though I have showed you.