New Possible Theory On the Downed RQ-170 Drone from an Insider

New Possible Theory On the Downed RQ-170 Drone from an Insider

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In the event of a catastrophic power/propulsion or forward momentum failure, the RQ-170's wing design will cause it to "glide" down in a "falling leaf" spiral, resulting in minimal damage. However, there are at least two backup systems to activate the self-destruct sequence. If the video by Iran is indeed the true images of the downed drone, then it would indicate that the chips were fried or interfered with so that it could not self destruct. A Possible EMP beam or a Stuxnet re-engineered"

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This was just posted by an apparent Insider called RAPTOR. This source also posted the following:
A Report from a Syrian courier suggests that Iranian specialists were successful in isolating a particular code sequence of the STUXNET virus. This code string was copied and enhanced with the help from a Chinese rogue group(WYNC). There is no formal alert yet, but our analysts expect that Iran will use the enhanced STUXNET virus to strike back at its attackers in the coming months. Station Chiefs should see this not as an alert but as an advisory and inform operators to investigate and file reports.
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itll be tricky for them to get a virus into Dimona but probably not all that difficult to get it into a US plant or one in Europe for instance given the number of immigrants no doubt working at these plants that are sympathetic to the underdogs plight. Releasing stuxnet was a bad idea, of course it can be isolated and modifed, code is universal after all.

Actually the "Self Destruct" did indeed activate. The thing doesn't blow up, there are independent charges/thermite on the sensitive components inside of the aircraft. The reason they are covering up the bottom is to hide the holes that the thermite left as it melted through the more advanced electronics.

The CIA involvement seems to have been building up. This guy RAPTOR has been dropping hints since July:

USAF and The Crown : Standing Firm against Petraeus(CIA)

In what could be seen as the first international setback to Petraeus's command of the CIA, is a report that The USAF has refused Petraeus's request for limited command of Sentinel (RQ-170) in an operation planned for August by the CIA. The reason cited by the USAF is that they will under no circumstances jeopardize their relation with The Crown and access to Boscombe Down. The Crown has made it clear that it will not approve or cooperate with any CIA operations while under Patraeus's command. Access to UK soil for staging CIA operations is immediately and effectively HALTED (6 hours ago). Predated operational commitments and support from MI5 and MI6 will however remain in effect until such operations are concluded. Any new cooperation has seized. Quarantine Remains
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everybody needs to stop treating this incident like its a goddamn hollywood movie.

"isolated a particular code in the stuxnet virus"

this is obviously directed toward people with no knowledge of programming, and an abundant knowledge of action thriller movie plots.

give me a break.

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define "code" please.

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holy crap!

you were there?

Something thats been going through my mind since I first heard about this yesterday... If Iran was able to get this drone back to working order, I doubt they have the tech but if they did. Would this drone remain stealth with a nuke on board? God I hope not... If they really got it working again and it stays stealthed with a nuke on board they could in theory drop a nuke on anyone without any prior warning. Hope it's just one of my crazy theorys.

At any rate I feel the DOD needs to destroy that drone at all costs. I understand it was probably fried when they pushed the self destruct button but from the pictures I saw there is enough of it left to give them some sort of new military tech. Stealth, propultion, weapons, etc. They will get something out of this. It's like we just advanced the Iran military 10 years. Thats not a good at all... Considering it seems the US military has there cross hairs fixed on Iran next...

You mean, the batteries in the xbox controller the pilots use didn't die

Also, if thermite was used, doesn't heat rise, and you see also damage to the top?

The answer is radar jammer with enhanced capabilities.

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Originally posted by DJM8507
Actually the "Self Destruct" did indeed activate. The thing doesn't blow up, there are independent charges/thermite on the sensitive components inside of the aircraft. The reason they are covering up the bottom is to hide the holes that the thermite left as it melted through the more advanced electronics.

Not to mention that if in fact the system was "Fried", then it was fried.
An directional EMP blast would Fry the electrical components as well.

Originally posted by MahmoudAhmadinejad
You mean, the batteries in the xbox controller the pilots use didn't die

Also, if thermite was used, doesn't heat rise, and you see also damage to the top?

edit on 9-12-2011 by MahmoudAhmadinejad because: (no reason given)

Not necessarily.
A quick and direct small explosive device would be just that, and the only evidence would be the direct area.

I think people are underestimating our Russian friends. Check this out.
spylog.ru
www.robtex.com...
That is a Russian Federation website. Russian Electronic Academic and Research Network (RELARN).
www.friends-partners.org...
And they have even been caught hacking ATS. The link below blames China but it is Russias website?
www.threatmetrix.com... t-fields/

The way the military has been so vocal on this subject makes me suspicious. Usually when something like this happens, the protocol is deny deny deny, don't talk about it. You would think that it would be in our government's best interest to make Iran think that they didn't really get their hands on anything special. So why is it that they immediately come out and start with the "Iran has captured our most top secret and advanced drone! Oh noes!"? It almost makes me believe that they let them have it. But why? Maybe just to add more fuel to the "war with Iran" fire, or maybe to make them think that's the best we have when we've got something much better. Or perhaps a 'fast and furious'-style operation where they purposely let Iran get their hands on of one of our "super secret" drones just to see what they would do with it, who they they might try to sell it to so we can see who they're dealing with. I don't know, but this whole story seems suspicious to me.

A strong enough tracking radar could fry electronics or knock something like this out of the sky, back in my time in the Navy our missile tracking radar (MK55) had a 'burn through' mode, if we ever used that on a pilot during maneuvers to get through their ECC we'd always here them complain about it. It's just a strong blast of microwave energy. A fighter jet's avionics is hardened against it (even if the pilot can feel his sperm count dropping) but a remote drone like this would have to be able to receive it's signal which could be interfered with by a strong tracking radar. My guess is someone on the Iranian side figured out the frequency range of that piloting signal and tuned a radar set to that, which then overwhelmed the drones receiver.

The idea they used Stuxnet to "counter infect" is pretty silly. Stuxnet operates on Windows, exploits a particular set of programs used to interface with PLC devices, and inserts specific code into a very narrow listing of devices and only interferes with them while they operate at certain critical rotational velocities (the type used in centrifuge-based Uranium refinement).

Basically, Stuxnet was designed specifically to royally # up a nuclear weapons program... on specific models of devices (in other words, a specific country and its known supply).

It's more likely that they jammed control signals. The drone ran itself out of fuel and activated its automatic recovery procedure - which is designed to minimize damage to the airframe. Its self-destruct devices would have activated, destroying sensitive electronics (the cryptography gear, likely processing architectures and firmware deemed sensitive) and any of its onboard data purged (if not flat out blown up).

Basically, they have a very expensive model airplane with the control circuitry removed. Woo!

Originally posted by Aim64C
The idea they used Stuxnet to "counter infect" is pretty silly. Stuxnet operates on Windows, exploits a particular set of programs used to interface with PLC devices, and inserts specific code into a very narrow listing of devices and only interferes with them while they operate at certain critical rotational velocities (the type used in centrifuge-based Uranium refinement).

Basically, Stuxnet was designed specifically to royally # up a nuclear weapons program... on specific models of devices (in other words, a specific country and its known supply).

It's more likely that they jammed control signals. The drone ran itself out of fuel and activated its automatic recovery procedure - which is designed to minimize damage to the airframe. Its self-destruct devices would have activated, destroying sensitive electronics (the cryptography gear, likely processing architectures and firmware deemed sensitive) and any of its onboard data purged (if not flat out blown up).

Basically, they have a very expensive model airplane with the control circuitry removed. Woo!

You make more sense than me. I thought that if they managed to get an EMP device into a missile, and set off an EMP in close proximity, then they could have fried the electronics in it, but then it would just have crashed. Your hypothesis better fits the facts

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Blackmarketeer and I are pretty much in agreement.

They likely bombarded it with a radar capable of some jamming functions. ... That, or their radar just somehow happened to interfere with it, and were overjoyed when it mysteriously started dropping out of the sky (may as well take the opportunity to gloat: "... Yeah! That's what we meant to do!")

At the alternative end of things... I could see them attempting to insert a virus and/or hijack the drone using a powerful transmitter (which happened to function as a jamming device). I can only imagine them sitting there for the better part of two hours, attempting to wrest control of the aircraft, and them cheer on the programmer/'pilot' after it began its descent (who, honestly, had no idea what was going on, but decided it was best to roll with it as opposed to admit failure).

I just enjoy coming up with comical, if borderline plausible, scenarios.

"Why don't you fly it back here?"

"I've only figured out the controls for left and down..."

"Well... right is the opposite of left..."

"Hey! Who is the programmer, here? Do you want to fly our one and only chance at capturing one of these American aircraft?"

"No... no... not really."

"No! You get over here and show me how to do my job!"

"You're really going to make me do this...."

[after they find the electronics fried]

"See what happens when unqualified personnel touch the controls? Now it will never work! Thanks for ruining everything!"

Don't you think it also could have been just something stupid like running out of fuel when a refuler had to leave or just an engine failure. I mean after being in the military I know how stupid some of the other marines were .....

Fried or not I am sure that some aerodynamic features that will be given away. I am sure that even the inflight controllers and other items would also be handy. I am sure the Chinese would have a spy package that rivals ours since they probably make all of the componets we use to build ours....