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reply posted on 7-9-2004 @ 07:23 AM by sminkeypinkey
Originally posted by Beast
One nuke would not destroy continet,


- I agree with this comment.

it could not destroy some big cities even.


- This one I don't.

Assuming we're not going as far as the most massive actual bomb dropped (the Russian 50megaton Tsar air dropped bomb....actually designed as a 100mt bomb but never exploded as such, they deliberately altered some of the materials to limit the force) because there were so few made lets stick to the more common 25mt range.

IMO a 25 mt warhead exploded at optimum height would 'kill' - in all meaningful senses of the word/term - any city on the earth today.

You'd have to be pretty far underground - and stay there quite a while - to survive that and live in the area any length of time.

You'd also want to be very lucky if you end up looking at a nuclear flash......if you're a little too close (and how could you tell?) you could well end up with your eyes welded to the back of your skull.

Failing that you might just end up blind (which can happen out to great distances, tens of miles, if you stare at the 'fireball'). Temporary blindness from the indirect scattered light from the flash is also possible but who would knowingly take the chance and have a peep?

Then there's the issue of fall-out and the long term poisoning of the area.....and the fact that the world would go into a long-term economic nose-dive if any of our cities was 'hit'. So much for our global economy then.

Todays megaton nukes are seriously bad news and if more than a handful get used the material lifted into the upper atmosphere also brings undesirable effects in the form of nuclear winters etc etc.

Far preferable to actually start making much better efforts (shock....even spending large amounts of money!) at getting along well with each other if we want much of a future for ourselves and our families IMO.





[edit on 7-9-2004 by sminkeypinkey]


reply posted on 8-9-2004 @ 09:31 PM by titus
Originally posted by boogyman
there are no weapons powerful enough to destroy a continent


scalar weapon or even one tesla howitzer with 10 (!) nuclear reactors for power can destroy whole earth... IF they exist






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lets say you have a bombshelter and a nuke i slaunced and hits teh city youre in. how long would you have to wait before the radiation settles and its safe to go outside again?

some people say... decades


reply posted on 9-9-2004 @ 12:22 PM by E_T
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
IMO a 25 mt warhead exploded at optimum height would 'kill' - in all meaningful senses of the word/term - any city on the earth today.

You'd have to be pretty far underground - and stay there quite a while - to survive that and live in the area any length of time.

You'd also want to be very lucky if you end up looking at a nuclear flash......if you're a little too close (and how could you tell?) you could well end up with your eyes welded to the back of your skull.

Failing that you might just end up blind (which can happen out to great distances, tens of miles, if you stare at the 'fireball'). Temporary blindness from the indirect scattered light from the flash is also possible but who would knowingly take the chance and have a peep?


With yields in the range of hundreds of kilotons or greater (typical for strategic warheads) immediate radiation injury becomes insignificant. Dangerous radiation levels only exist so close to the explosion that surviving the blast is impossible. On the other hand, fatal burns can be inflicted well beyond the range of substantial blast damage. A 20 megaton bomb can cause potentially fatal third degree burns at a range of 40 km, where the blast can do little more than break windows and cause superficial cuts.

nuclearweaponarchive.org...
And heat radiation moves at speed of light, so when you would have change to notice explosion heat radiation would already burn you.

And about Tsar Bomba:
In clear air, the 50 Mt test was capable in principle of inflicting third degree burns at a distance of up to 100 km.
...
There was no previously existing military requirement for a 100 megaton weapon - such weapons are virtually useless for military purposes. The Soviet Union had only one delivery system capable of carrying a weapon of this size - a handful of the relatively slow prop-driven Tu-95 bomber - and it was incapable of intercontinental range with a payload this large. A 100 Mt weapon can level urban areas in a zone 60 km wide, cause heavy damage in a zone 100 km across, and cause 3rd degree burns in a region 170 km across (only a bit smaller than the width of West Germany). Such a weapon can only be used as a means of destroying an entire urban region - a major urban complex including suburbs and even neighboring cities. This scale of destruction is much larger than any discrete urban area in Western Europe. With its dense settlement, use of such a weapon in Europe is equivalent to an attack on a major portion of an entire nation and its population. Fallout from a low altitude or surface burst in central England could produce lethal exposures extending into the Warsaw Pact nations; a similar explosion in West Germany could create lethal fallout as far as the Soviet border.


nuclearweaponarchive.org...


reply posted on 9-9-2004 @ 03:25 PM by E_T
Originally posted by titus
scalar weapon or even one tesla howitzer with 10 (!) nuclear reactors for power can destroy whole earth... IF they exist

Even if you had thousand nuclear reactors you wouldn't have enough power to destroy earth.

www.lpl.arizona.edu...

Your Inputs:
Distance from Impact: 5000.00 km = 3105.00 miles
Projectile Diameter: 1000000.00 m = 3280000.00 ft = 621.00 miles
Projectile Density: 1500 kg/m3
Impact Velocity: 20.00 km/s = 12.42 miles/s
Impact Angle: 70 degrees
Target Density: 2750 kg/m3
Target Type: Crystalline Rock

Energy:
Energy before atmospheric entry: 1.57e+29 Joules = 3.75e+13 MegaTons TNT

Atmospheric Entry:
The projectile begins to breakup at an altitude of 75100 meters = 246000 ft
The projectile reaches the ground in a broken condition. The mass of projectile strikes the surface at velocity 20 km/s = 12.4 miles/s
The impact energy is 1.57e+29 Joules = 3.75e+13 MegaTons.
The broken projectile fragments strike the ground in an ellipse of dimension 1060 km by 1000 km

Major Global Changes:
The Earth is not strongly disturbed by the impact and loses negligible mass.
The impact does not make a noticeable change in the Earth's rotation period or the tilt of its axis.
The impact does not shift the Earth's orbit noticeably.
(Not that this would comfort mankind)


Crater Dimensions:
Transient Crater Diameter: 2100 km = 1310 miles
Transient Crater Depth: 743 km = 462 miles

Final Crater Diameter: 5720 km = 3550 miles
Final Crater Depth: 4 km = 2.48 miles
The final crater is replaced by a large, circular melt province.
The volume of the target melted or vaporized is 1.4e+09 km3 = 3.35e+08 miles3
Melt volume = 1.15 times the crater volume
At this size, the crater forms in its own melt pool.

Thermal Radiation:
Time for maximum radiation: 540 seconds after impact
Your position is inside the fireball.
The fireball appears 406 times larger than the sun
Thermal Exposure: 2.34 x 1011 Joules/m2
Duration of Irradiation: 14000 seconds
Radiant flux (relative to the sun): 16700

Seismic Effects:
The major seismic shaking will arrive at approximately 1000 seconds.
Richter Scale Magnitude: 13.7 (This is greater than any earthquake in recorded history)

Ejecta:
The ejecta will arrive approximately 1570 seconds after the impact.
Your position is in the region which collapses into the final crater.
Your position is beneath the continuous ejecta deposit.
Average Ejecta Thickness: 1630 m = 5330 ft

Air Blast:
The air blast will arrive at approximately 15200 seconds.
Peak Overpressure: 5.2e+07 Pa = 520 bars = 7380 psi
Max wind velocity: 5800 m/s = 13000 mph



About reality of all these "superweapons", read my sig.
Information is power, denying it/disinformation has always been used to get power/stay in power/scare others.
Just like how church stayed in power at medieval time.


reply posted on 9-9-2004 @ 08:31 PM by titus
Originally posted by E_T
Originally posted by titus
scalar weapon or even one tesla howitzer with 10 (!) nuclear reactors for power can destroy whole earth... IF they exist

Even if you had thousand nuclear reactors you wouldn't have enough power to destroy earth.



no,no,no,no..... you got me wrong. scalar weapons would interfere with earth's 'what-holds-earth-together', so earth's would self destruct. but i doubt tesla howitzer, its more anti anti-aircraft, tank, ship... and all that

in 1960s khrushev said that these 'fantastical weapons' can wipe out humanity if not used correctly




New York Times, January 15th, 1960

Since 1963, the Russians have had the equivalent of more than seven additional Manhattan Projects (using the Russian 5-year program instead of the 4-year Manhattan Project), back-to-back, in development of energetics weaponry. Western scientists refuse to accept it, and cannot understand it, as scalar EM theory is not in their textbooks.



just note: “North America has not had 'normal' weather since 1976”
florida... sounds familiar


PS: and i'm not going into this-is-crap/not-crap debate

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