reply to post by camaro68ss
Yawn, What exactly would you expect him to say to that crowd. There is nothing wrong with a leader talking up his troops.
China's Hu urges navy to prepare for combat, page 3
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reply posted on 6-12-2011 @ 11:06 PM by bruwin
Originally posted by otie1
reply to post by OrNaM3nT
Or millions could rise up and overthrow DC
ill go with that one
If you are all about overthrowing DC than why don't you go to China and fight alongside them? Keep in mind...you would be blocked this site if you joined up with them.
reply posted on 7-12-2011 @ 12:28 AM by POPtheKlEEN89
reply to post by pavil
there is an interesting period of german history from 1945 to 1989, you see allies had half of berlin and west germany, russia had east germany and east berlin, on a map berlin was surrounded by red ( ruskies), so they couldnt have possibly sent foreign german troops en masse to any theatre. France on the other hand has had a good 70 years to line their pockets via the MIC and are obviously one of the main players being part of the victors of world war 2 AND the cold war.
there is an interesting period of german history from 1945 to 1989, you see allies had half of berlin and west germany, russia had east germany and east berlin, on a map berlin was surrounded by red ( ruskies), so they couldnt have possibly sent foreign german troops en masse to any theatre. France on the other hand has had a good 70 years to line their pockets via the MIC and are obviously one of the main players being part of the victors of world war 2 AND the cold war.
reply posted on 7-12-2011 @ 12:39 AM by pavil
reply to post by POPtheKlEEN89
I'm well aware of the history......I was there. I was only responding to the post by OrNaM3nT about the UK and Germany being the only two EU countries that could militarily project their power. Sorry for the thread derailment.
I'm well aware of the history......I was there. I was only responding to the post by OrNaM3nT about the UK and Germany being the only two EU countries that could militarily project their power. Sorry for the thread derailment.
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reply posted on 7-12-2011 @ 01:01 AM by BO XIAN
reply to post by Andronian
Thanks for the link.
INDEED.
I've often wondered . . . if China, Pakistan & the other -stans would join forces to assault Israel/the Middle East.
I wonder if the 200 million strong army figure is fallen angels/demonic hordes or people. Been a while since I read that Scripture.
Certainly the Turkish dam on the Euphrates could easily take care of drying it up.
Folks are foolish to think that the script roughly outlined in The Bible will not play out literally to the letter. It will.
China will attack. So will Russia and a number of others.
Life as Americans have known it is rapidly drawing to a close. It will NEVER be the same again.
Thanks for the link.
INDEED.
I've often wondered . . . if China, Pakistan & the other -stans would join forces to assault Israel/the Middle East.
I wonder if the 200 million strong army figure is fallen angels/demonic hordes or people. Been a while since I read that Scripture.
Certainly the Turkish dam on the Euphrates could easily take care of drying it up.
Folks are foolish to think that the script roughly outlined in The Bible will not play out literally to the letter. It will.
China will attack. So will Russia and a number of others.
Life as Americans have known it is rapidly drawing to a close. It will NEVER be the same again.
reply posted on 7-12-2011 @ 05:21 AM by technologicalsingularity
reply to post by LookSkywatcher
Oh theres even more war talk in the UK, were probably ahead of the US in that respect at present, it seems the UK want to go after Iran and Syria regardless. France is currently pressing the other 26 euro nations to back a EU led strike against Iran, supporting and protecting Israel.
But with :- Iran, Syria, Palestine, Turkey, Lebanon, Egypt and other nations wanting to remove all jews worldwide and particularly destroy Israel, I personally cannot see any EU/NATO effort winning this one, The EU are throwing war talk and threats, but it's enemies know the EU/NATO cannot afford a sustained attack of longer than 8 months.
The enemies strategy would be something like this :- let them keep throwing missiles and bombs, bullets etc, all the while the enemies gain more allies, the strategy will be to deliberately make the EU/NATO military run financially dry, this will make any EU nation incredibly vulnerable to occupation, probably from Russia (who has no debt, want a return to communism and reset the borders once again and still has a formidable military).
Lets not forget the possible double agent amongst the crowd - Turkey (NATO's largest readily deployable military, they want Israel and syria gone) US/NATO are likely to turn against Turkey, there is the middle east, that will be the war ground, but the fight will be between Russia and the US who both have already arrived in the east med with there best and newest kit, ok thats the mid east/med.
Now lets look at the far east, China are in cold war with the US over parts of the south China sea (the US own approx $1.1 trillion of natural resources in the south China sea) , China is willing to defend this sea as they believe they own it entirely, Korea of course disagree, another US ally, the US help protect Korea's borders from invasion from north korea, an ally of China and Iran.
Iran allies :- China, Syria, Palestine, Russia, Argentina, Lenanon, North korea, Cuba and some African nations
US/UK allies :- EU/NATO (Saudi Arabia, Qatar souring relationship though) Yemen, Jordan, some African nations, Scandinavia, Japan
Possible defectors/power grabbers/side swappers :- Russia (want old territory and current EU nations), Germany (want all of europe's nations, slowly achieving this by bankrupting them, treaty rewrites, getting nations to give up sovereignty), Turkey (will side swap continually, take cyprus and other greek isles, maybe Syrian territory)
phew! probably missed or forgotten a few things, but my guess it will all start shortly before xmas.
Oh theres even more war talk in the UK, were probably ahead of the US in that respect at present, it seems the UK want to go after Iran and Syria regardless. France is currently pressing the other 26 euro nations to back a EU led strike against Iran, supporting and protecting Israel.
But with :- Iran, Syria, Palestine, Turkey, Lebanon, Egypt and other nations wanting to remove all jews worldwide and particularly destroy Israel, I personally cannot see any EU/NATO effort winning this one, The EU are throwing war talk and threats, but it's enemies know the EU/NATO cannot afford a sustained attack of longer than 8 months.
The enemies strategy would be something like this :- let them keep throwing missiles and bombs, bullets etc, all the while the enemies gain more allies, the strategy will be to deliberately make the EU/NATO military run financially dry, this will make any EU nation incredibly vulnerable to occupation, probably from Russia (who has no debt, want a return to communism and reset the borders once again and still has a formidable military).
Lets not forget the possible double agent amongst the crowd - Turkey (NATO's largest readily deployable military, they want Israel and syria gone) US/NATO are likely to turn against Turkey, there is the middle east, that will be the war ground, but the fight will be between Russia and the US who both have already arrived in the east med with there best and newest kit, ok thats the mid east/med.
Now lets look at the far east, China are in cold war with the US over parts of the south China sea (the US own approx $1.1 trillion of natural resources in the south China sea) , China is willing to defend this sea as they believe they own it entirely, Korea of course disagree, another US ally, the US help protect Korea's borders from invasion from north korea, an ally of China and Iran.
Iran allies :- China, Syria, Palestine, Russia, Argentina, Lenanon, North korea, Cuba and some African nations
US/UK allies :- EU/NATO (Saudi Arabia, Qatar souring relationship though) Yemen, Jordan, some African nations, Scandinavia, Japan
Possible defectors/power grabbers/side swappers :- Russia (want old territory and current EU nations), Germany (want all of europe's nations, slowly achieving this by bankrupting them, treaty rewrites, getting nations to give up sovereignty), Turkey (will side swap continually, take cyprus and other greek isles, maybe Syrian territory)
phew! probably missed or forgotten a few things, but my guess it will all start shortly before xmas.
reply posted on 7-12-2011 @ 10:59 AM by remyrange
reply to post by metaldemon2000
You sir, I believe, must never have served in the military. Anyone who has served, and is not a psycho, will agree with me that war is probably the most nonglorious, bloody, messy, heartwrenching, and wastefull act that a country can engage in. The results of a modern world war would result in the deaths of so many soldiers and civilians, that it would not bring progress, but a very sharp decline in progress and living standards across the world. It would not be glorious. It would not result in a great cleansing of the earth's society. It would result in most likely China taking over the US, or possibly nuclear destruction beyond the wildest fears of Mad Max Dooms day hopefulls.
If war were to occur today between China and US, most likely, Russia would join China. We would have few if no allies who would have to balls to stick with us when the SHTF. We are outmanned, outgunned, outfinanced, and matched on the nuclear front.
Sure, many in the US say, they wouldn't stand a chance against all the red necks with weapons. And that those rednecks would bring guerilla warfar to a Chinese invasion like the world has never seen. And I admit that I'm a veteran who would join in that endeaver. But do you honestly think that the Chinese would even bother to engage in a war with Geurilla groups if war came and they invaded? The simple answer is no they would not. They would simply exterminate all and any Americans within range of any Geurilla attack.
I think back to when I served, and we watched an Al Quada agent peeing on a tree next to his encampment via infra red from a mile distance, and 2,000 feet in the air. Had we wished, and American ethics/politics/procedure not prevented it, he could have been exterminated with the flick of a button.
The Chinese would not hesitate to kill every man woman and child to gain the precious mineral resources here in the US. Do not be fooled.
WW3 with China would mean the end of the US. Even if we managed to somehow survive and walk away with a fraction of what we have now, the US as we know it would cease to exist.
Chinese population 1,338,299,500
US population 307,006,550
Chinese Military 2,285,000
US military 1,468,364
Chinese Military reserves 800,000
US Military Reserves 1,458,500
Chinese Paramilitary 1,500,000
US Paramilitary 11,035
You sir, I believe, must never have served in the military. Anyone who has served, and is not a psycho, will agree with me that war is probably the most nonglorious, bloody, messy, heartwrenching, and wastefull act that a country can engage in. The results of a modern world war would result in the deaths of so many soldiers and civilians, that it would not bring progress, but a very sharp decline in progress and living standards across the world. It would not be glorious. It would not result in a great cleansing of the earth's society. It would result in most likely China taking over the US, or possibly nuclear destruction beyond the wildest fears of Mad Max Dooms day hopefulls.
If war were to occur today between China and US, most likely, Russia would join China. We would have few if no allies who would have to balls to stick with us when the SHTF. We are outmanned, outgunned, outfinanced, and matched on the nuclear front.
Sure, many in the US say, they wouldn't stand a chance against all the red necks with weapons. And that those rednecks would bring guerilla warfar to a Chinese invasion like the world has never seen. And I admit that I'm a veteran who would join in that endeaver. But do you honestly think that the Chinese would even bother to engage in a war with Geurilla groups if war came and they invaded? The simple answer is no they would not. They would simply exterminate all and any Americans within range of any Geurilla attack.
I think back to when I served, and we watched an Al Quada agent peeing on a tree next to his encampment via infra red from a mile distance, and 2,000 feet in the air. Had we wished, and American ethics/politics/procedure not prevented it, he could have been exterminated with the flick of a button.
The Chinese would not hesitate to kill every man woman and child to gain the precious mineral resources here in the US. Do not be fooled.
WW3 with China would mean the end of the US. Even if we managed to somehow survive and walk away with a fraction of what we have now, the US as we know it would cease to exist.
Chinese population 1,338,299,500
US population 307,006,550
Chinese Military 2,285,000
US military 1,468,364
Chinese Military reserves 800,000
US Military Reserves 1,458,500
Chinese Paramilitary 1,500,000
US Paramilitary 11,035
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