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Why free will is only partial free will at best.
Originally posted by satron
Why free will is only partial free will at best.
Is that notion disconcerting to you?
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Moreover, if free will was really free, I should be able to levitate by will alone. There are obvious restrictions to free will due to natural laws. Anything that is restricted isn't free. Would you say prisoners are free? They can only move where their walls allow.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Nah. I'm human and there's nothing I can do about it, so I might as well play my role.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
The main reason why free will is hardly free at all is because I didn't choose to live this life in the first place. Unless, as some spiritual experts believe, I did, in fact, choose this life.
Moreover, if free will was really free, I should be able to levitate by will alone. There are obvious restrictions to free will due to natural laws. Anything that is restricted isn't free. Would you say prisoners are free? They can only move where their walls allow.
You might can say I have human will. That would be more accurate. But is human will even undetermined? That's the question you usually hear in these debates. I'm just saying we don't have free will because, for one, our will is restricted, and for two, we didn't choose to be born into this restrictive environment. For will, being born is like being sentenced.edit on 24-11-2011 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Open2Truth
reply to post by smithjustinb
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Nah. I'm human and there's nothing I can do about it, so I might as well play my role.
And I take it your role is a sentence - according to your opening post.
How sad.
What if the only thing holding you to that sentence, that place of restriction and thwarted will, was your very belief and perceptions of that limitation?
Just food for thought on this Thanksgiving holiday.
edit on 11/24/2011 by Open2Truth because: quote code misshap
Originally posted by rwfresh
reply to post by smithjustinb
You want to insist you are a human. A single disconnected being determined to claim more will outside your limited self.
Free will made the multiverse. What will willed the laws of gravity? Space? Time? The truth is the only will that exists is the one that controls what you call "you". And on some level you have yet to associate with, YOU are that will.
That is free will. You are free to associate with a false reality or free to claim your will as the will of the creator. It's no easy task to wake up and admit Truth/Reality. But you as God willed it so here you as "disconnected person without free will" are.
You cannot make yourself God. You cannot simply will yourself to levitate. You can only admit that what you associate yourself to is not real. When you get rid of everything that is not real, what you have left is the only thing that truly has free will.
Originally posted by webpirate
reply to post by smithjustinb
Who says you can't levitate? Maybe your will to do so just isn't strong enough.....
Originally posted by MoosKept240
Interesting.....
Although, I would say "free will" is man made. Only we can define its purposes.
A lot like time, it only exists because we exist.
For me, free will is in the ability to make a decision. It is my will to make a left turn or right turn. No one else's. For those in prison, it was in there will to decide to break the law. There will took them there. IMO
Originally posted by satron
It would be like a kid depressed because he couldn't fly around and shoot energy balls like a DBZ character.
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
reply to post by smithjustinb
This is only true if your thoughts and movements are adding to the direction of the problem.
When you find that this is impossible, realize the truth.
edit on 24-11-2011 by SuperiorEd because: (no reason given)