Moon Orbit Wrong Cornell University Says. , page 3

reply to post by CherubBaby

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Agreed. No-one is questioning or refuting the paper,

We're questioning your understanding of what the paper says. You clearly haven't read it. Nor, it seems, do you understand the terms used. Such as eccentricity. Which, with regards orbit, does not mean obessively collecting and cataloguing matchboxes, eating beetroot and cucumber sandwiches as precisely 4.10pm every day or donning a deerstalker to ride a penny farthing into town to do the weekly shopping.

reply to post by Essan

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Kinda sorta. I would equate it to measuring the distance from your front door to your mail box by counting your steps while a guy next to you measures it with a tape measure, only to find out a week later by laser ranging that it's a few nanometers closer than the tape measure said it was, then saying you noticed that all along because you counted your steps.

reply to post by CherubBaby

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You'd be surprised. Illustronic and I live in the same basement.
But that's alright, I can always spot the usual crew pushing threads like this.

And by the way...is there something you haven't said yet? For some reason, people keep pushing the idea that the moon is out-of-place, as if no one's heard that before either. And that makes it all the more necessary for us to keep "debunking" these threads, because, obviously, you're not listening. I believe they call it beating a dead horse...but, sometimes, dead horses still keep kicking.

reply to post by Illustronic

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While I appreciate the information, the measurements are there on record...I live near the Adler Planentarium, plus Valparaiso University has an excellent observatory with years of records...could get it down to millimeter...

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by jeichelberg

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You again are wrong and guesswork is your middle name? You have no clue what your talking about. If you did you would know that what you presume of others and what they are doing is WRONG. Should I go into the conversations with the local news ? I won't because I don't need to. Don't quit your day job. Your not very good at mind reading or guess work for that matter. You are however good at ranting ... Don't they have a thread for that?

Rant? What rant? Why do you derail your own threads with these baseless ad hominem attacks...stick to the subject matter...you are showing nothing...The paper you submitted does nothing to SUPPORT the title of your thread, which is, "Moon Orbit Wrong Cornell University Says. " First, Cornell does not state this...Second, as evidenced by the very first page of your submitted "paper,": a) it has not been submitted (missing date); and, b) it has not been reviewed.

reply to post by CherubBaby

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Yeah, ATS has lost it's glitz. Now it just sucks. I rarely even log in anymore, and visit perhaps twice a week. I used to be addicted, and left a tab open all day long. Those days are gone; you can't discuss anything anymore - just argue. Here's an old quote that sums it up...

A discussion is an exchange of ideas; an argument is an exchange of ignorance. And for you flame throwers; get a life...

reply to post by CherubBaby

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I think most people have already covered a large portion of this, so I won't repeat what has already been said, except that this is clearly your inability to understand what is written on the paper.

The moon is fine and right where it should be, I regularly take the 'scope out each summer and my autostar never has a problem "finding it".

One thing I will add is, you say "not normal", compared to how long the Earth-Moon system has been around, to how long us mere humans have been observing it, how the hell can anybody say what is normal and what is not?

I mean, a billion years ago the Moon was a heck of a lot closer, and over the years it has slowly been edging away, so its kinda like traveling back a billion years, looking at the moon and saying "ayup, somethings not quite right 'ere pal".

reply to post by visualmiscreant

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reply to post by CherubBaby

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Did you actually read all of the article? Did you understand its real implications?

Or, is it so important to exaggerate from a scientific paper that within it indicates the very tiniest of difference in what is calculated to the Nth degree by orbital mathematics and known laws of physics?

And, the "source" is from a Web Forum posting? With a particularly poor YouTube video....a video that shows absolutely nothing to support the assertion.

Essentially, this is an hypothesis by someone who makes an incredible leap after learning that there is the tiniest of anomalies (less than 6 inches) in the predicted orbital distance-from-Earth limits of our Moon.......the leap to a postulate of the "mysterious 'Planet X' or *Nemesis*'.....

Here, is where the original author's assumptions and assertions fall apart. And, where the uninitiated seem to fall down in their understanding.

The "Planet X" or *Nemesis* or by-any-other-name large body that is being suggested, here, is described as an as yet undiscovered trans-Plutonian object. Think about that, for a minute......outside the orbit of Pluto!!

Which is closer to the Earth? The Sun, or Jupiter? (Answer is: The Sun).

Which is more massive? The Sun, or Jupiter? (Answer is: The Sun)

Question....Does Jupiter significantly affect and alter the Moon's orbit about the Earth? If you say (correctly) "No"...then, how can any celestial body, even if the size of, or a bit larger than Jupiter, significantly affect the Moon's orbit if it is even farther away from the Moon than Jupiter is??

For reference: Distance of Earth/Moon system to Jupiter = 4.2 to 6.2 AU (varies due to size of orbits).

Distance of Earth/Moon system to Pluto = (average) 39.5 AU!

Sinking in, yet?

(The very tiny anomalous behavior measured in the Moon's orbit may be interesting, but this hypothesis is NOT even worth considering. Also, it is most likely the case that these anomalies are the result of the ever more precise ability we have to measure, and therefore refine the data....not the other way 'round......)

There does appear to be a submission to Cornell by the author, Lorenzo Lorio on the subject. There are also other submissions by him, if any have been reviewed by peers I don't know. This is for information only, and has nothing to do with the OP, which in turn has nothing tangible to do with the paper.


www.cornell.edu...


arxiv.org...

reply to post by smurfy

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It should be noted that arXiv is a clearinghouse for articles. While the Cornell Library manages the collection, there is no direct connection between many (most?) of the articles found there and Cornell University itself.

Started in August 1991, arXiv.org (formerly xxx.lanl.gov) is a highly-automated electronic archive and distribution server for research articles.

arxiv.org...

As pointed out, Cornell has made the article available but the author is not associated with the University as is implied by the thread title (relevant or otherwise).

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by smurfy

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It should be noted that arXiv is a clearinghouse for articles. While the Cornell Library manages the collection, As pointed out, Cornell has made the article available but the author is not associated with the University as is implied by the thread title (relevant or otherwise).

I didn't say he was an associate, merely pointing out misnomers from some other posts. But he does have international standing even if relatively young, in fact it is quite impressive. I think you should have mentioned Lorio's Bona fide research rather than playing on the non-Cornell connection alone. Furthermore, I had already stated that Lorio's findings had nothing to do with the OP's thread.

miur.academia.edu...

BTW I repost Cornell's own searchlink,

www.cornell.edu... probably the same source but no matter, you did not deal with it.

Do you honestly think that nobody at the Ivy league has read any of his stuff, or is not familiar with him, I don't think so. Also, Lorio has another paper and talk on planet X prior to this one, maybe you could dig it out.

reply to post by Klassified

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What about those that WANT to see something "off"? It's more than just noticing something innocently enough, but rather wanting there to be something askew and grasping at straws to create evidence of that manifestation.

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