Originally posted by Lionhearte
There is no need
to have such feelings, friend, nor have such hostility towards a story..
Originally posted by Mimir
What a retard of a doctor.
Statments like "i'm prolife" or "life is sacred" almost turns the inside out on me when it is used in the abortiondiscussion.
When people call me a murdere or ignorant when they are actually hypocrites themself yes then theres a reason to defend my self.
Absolutly not attacking the story or the person who posted it, he deserve a flag or star for sharing the story.
If your so prolife why dont you fight for the survival of HIV, Ebola or plague?
And why dont you fight for the survival of insects like mosquitos and flies?
There are people today who DO fight for cures, prevention, awareness, and survival of those diseases.. the difference is, you don't see many people
fighting for the spread of such diseases, do you?
Insects, as well, serve their purpose in this world, but I am not aware of anyone committing unnecessary genocide amongst insects, unless the sole
purpose was the survival of other species, such as the extermination of mosquitoes that contain the West Nile Virus.
Not trying to suggest we should spread such diseases, I'm just pointing out why the "pro-life-people" are hypocrites on this issue.
Offcause it is the pregnant womans decission and noone else. In places where abortion is illigal, you have all sorts of obscure and
barbaric methods to stop the pregnancies.
Why is it ok for you to force a woman to get her baby?, do you know how the economics or lifestyle of this "random" woman?....what if she's a
junkie...admitting that she cant protect an infant, do you still want to force this upon the woman and potentially creating a "looser-child" who risk
getting send from fosterhome to fosterhome.
The idea that it is the "woman's choice" is ignorant. More than one life is involved, and that is the child's life. No person can pass the judgment of
life or death onto an innocent individual.
Nothing not even a child can be defined as a individual before it developed a consciousness, which doesn't happen in the first weeks of pregnancy. I
would agree the unborn chield reach a certain age (weeks not months), abortions should be illigal, unless offcause you find serious complications that
might kill the mother or child at birth.
In that case why are some life-forms more "sacred" than others? I mentioned the Diseases and Insects, could have picked other life...like cattle
instead, why is it ok to murder that kind of life if your prolife?
The 'economics' or lifestyle of said woman is something they should have considered before engaging in unprotected sex. Rape victims, while
unfortunate, and rare - after an attack, medical professionals take all the necessary steps to 'clean' the woman - those who do get pregnant with
child still have many options available to them, including foster homes, which you apparently seem to think raise little Hitlers.
I fully agree they should have tought of that before engaging in unprotected sex, but thats not always the case.
And no not all fosterchilds are scoundrels, far from it. But Fosterchildren got higher rate of crime compared to children who grew up with their
parents (atleast in Denmark).
Funny, I actually believe in God too, but you're the first to bring
If you use "prolife" in a religious context your even further out on a wrong track. Isen't THE ONLY CERTAINTY FROM God, that one day you
should die?....are you in reality working against your God on this issue?
No, the promise of God is that you would receive life, should you believe in Him. Forced miscarriage was indeed a sin and against the law, as
seen in the Old Testament, punishable by death.
I brought God into the discussion, because many people always use God as their reason.
...I cant answer that question since i never been religious.
You really shouldn't bring up "religious" talks if you don't know what you're talking about, then.
Why not, I asked a legit question, I didn't tell it as facts? You corrected my assumption, teaching me something i didn't know and maybe also killed a
myth about christianity.
It would explain why many christians is against abortion, but to me it just show that the western world still is full of fanatics, who take every word
from "the holy books" as fact.
reply to post by jrmcleod
Yes i know and I'm sorry if anyone felt hurt about that statment. I hope the above answer in this post makes "you" feel better again.
reply to post by macman
And you dont think theres a díffrence in the minds development and conciousness if you compare a 6 weeks fetus with a 1 year old child?
Thats another "common mistake" from the prolifers. They always come with the ridicolous argument that it could be legal today but murder tomorrow,
totally ignoring that late abortions isn't the issue here or anywhere. In countries where abortion is legal it is only legal in the start of the
pregnancy (weeks not multiple months).
You only have late abortions (exceptions) in case of complications.
Did a quicksearch and it seams like you can get an abortion some places after 26th week, in my objective thats far to late.
In Denmark the abortionwindow is the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, after that the unborn child is "too developed", I guess conciousness starts to form
around that age?
edit on 9-11-2011 by Mimir because: (no reason given)