Thread Titles and How They Quietly Attempt To Throw Doubt On Topics.

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posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 07:06 AM
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I can see a method used by operatives that is difficult to explain and was wondering if anyone else realises this fact. I shall try and explain to you what I am seeing across conspiracy boards but its kind of difficult.

The titles used for threads can be very telling, titles by operatives attempt to "muudy the waters" for new readers and non-conspiracy theorists. The wording is fundemental to these operatives, because it needs to try and raise doubt in peoples minds.

For example: a title may say something like "do you believe OWS is running out of steam?"
This example title above is a "quiet" attempt to state a falsehood that it is running out of steam, when we know more people are waking up as each day passes. But whats more crucial in this example is the fact that the OP is also trying to leave themselves enough room to deny they are an operative.

As I said its difficult to explain, but check the titles of threads and try to see how the titles alone attempt to "quietly" throw doubt on a topic. When one realises this you end up seeing loads of such titles. I was wondering if anyone else is aware of this?




posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 07:29 AM
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Indeed we are aware and most threads you'll find we call the OP out on such tactics. Another tactic, I call it the Glen Beck attack, is where they state something along the lines of:

I'm not saying OWS is socialist and communist, but look who supports them, socialists and communists....

Any thoughts?

Yeah, but you don't wanna hear our thoughts now do you.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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I am in the middle of reading a book about things like this, and I recomend it to everybody so they can get an idea of how subtle things like the example you give can get into your mind and infect you by the way you think.

Here is a site about the book I am reading.

www.memecentral.com...




Mind viruses have already infected governments, educational systems, and inner cities, leading to some of the most pervasive and troublesome problems of society today: youth gangs, the welfare cycle, the deterioration of the public schools, and ever-growing government bureaucracy.


Here is some more information about how this works.

en.wikipedia.org...




A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols or practices, which can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals or other imitable phenomena. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate and respond to selective pressures.[3]


This is something to be well aware of, and it's hard to do in the world these days given what the average person goes through on a daily basis.

Is your mind already infected?

Read this book to find out. It's a real and frightening topic.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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Nice, thanks I shall take a look at that, some bed time reading



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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Well I hate to be the one to point this out but that exact same thing can be used to garner support for the kinds of subject matter that is generally endorsed on this website (as an example)
You have to ask the question, what is my opinion and what has been subtly suggested to me?

I tend towards believing in ufo's but i have to admit that the evidence is kinda stringy sometimes, I wonder if it's because i WANT to believe (te hehe) or if there is a clear degree of logic to the idea and it's the unfettered part of my brain that has arrived at this conclusion.

Same goes for bigfoot and to a certain extent Lake/River/Sea monsters (but only because it hasn't been dis-proven)

What about social ideas like Capatalisim, communisim,religion (well duh to me, of course it's about brainwashing...)
It baffles me why so many people are so damn fanatical about capatalisim, it hasn't been around that long, it results in people spending their lives in debt and paying half their earnings in tax's and it is pretty much directly responsible for most of the cruel stuff that happens in the world, it all seems so obvious to me but not so to many millions of other people.

My point being that it is a deeply ingrained and probably ancient method of getting others to support your ideas, having said that, how much of what we believe is the result of manipulation and how would a person discern truth?

My opinion? We don't know S*&t about S*&t.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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These are tactics implemented by COINTELPRO whose primary objective is to demean and discredit any anti government sentiment by nipping it in the proverbial bud.

I have been studying the use of these divisive tactics for a few years now on ATS after first seeing it repeatedly used on the 911 Forum.

As well as the nature of how sensitive topics are handled here on ATS such as any mention of Israeli involvement in 911.

It became very clear to me that there was a concerted effort to demean discredit and even ridicule the "911 Conspiracy Theorists".

This makes complete sense by creating a location or Forum where these political "dissenters" meet and discuss "conspiracy theories" and you disarm them by making fools of them and thereby garnering support for your govt. sponsored perspective on controversial issues.

This is Social/Political Engineering 101.



Peace



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 08:52 AM
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Yes, of course they do that. To me it looks like fear. These people have a lot to lose if the world starting being fair and balanced.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by TheMindWar

I can see a method used by operatives that is difficult to explain and was wondering if anyone else realises this fact. I shall try and explain to you what I am seeing across conspiracy boards but its kind of difficult.

The titles used for threads can be very telling, titles by operatives attempt to "muudy the waters" for new readers and non-conspiracy theorists. The wording is fundemental to these operatives, because it needs to try and raise doubt in peoples minds.


It really isn't that difficult if one keeps their eyes open, right here on ATS!

Not too long after you began this thread, a fine example popped up. For anyone that doubts, here ya go!

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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I often see NLP in use in many threads wherein I adopt the do not feed the Tolls policy. After confirming the technique being used I add them to my list of known offenders.
I hope this thread is read by many as the subject is important IMO.

edit on 7-11-2011 by Shirak because: add sum more



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 03:38 PM
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I also think that it is important to mention that when sharing a story on ATS, you are required to use the same "title" that you are referring to.

Example:

Thread Titles and How They Quietly Attempt To Throw Doubt On Topics.


If I am referring to your thread, I will use this as the title.

If I was to choose my own, then someone would point out that I am trying to change the story to fit my own agenda.

I find it important that if I do this, and some members already do, that if I want people to understand the content on the matter as opposed to the title, I will say it, so that there is no mix up to my message.

Peace, NRE.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 07:03 PM
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I see them all the time. I keep track of the ones i see consistently post the same topics multiple times. They might change one word after a week or so if they catch too much flack. Part of picking up on this is becoming smarter than them. They can't evolve high enough to grasp reality. They are also lazy so they re-use the same old tired out crap and responses.

I have not made up my mind about them yet, but I can assure you GLP is run by them. Any attempt to bring up the subject there gets you banned instantly. I see some of the same things here, but not as bad and certainly not with the mods. There are some posers here though that attempt to sound and look legitimate while they lambast every Occupy thread.

At least I have not seen a prize here for the "Worst OWS image or video" like they had at GLP. There is not even a real attempt anymore for them to try and hide their open disdain for everyone they feel is less than them. They are elitists in training. Call them elite interns. It is their sole occupation to find negative talking points about OWS. They then disseminate their crap as far as possible with misleading titles and boastful statements.

Congrats on evolving. Now you will be able to spot them a mile away. They always use the same tactics and even the exact same words from their script. The zombie apocalypse is upon us I suppose.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 07:09 PM
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Sources amongst the ATS community say that the OP is wrong. Move a long people



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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Thanks for the link. That sounds like a good read.

This reminds me of the many plots where a computer fights it's creators to protect itself from being shut down. Eventually some kid walks in and unplugs the thing and the story ends.

Now if I could just find that plug...........



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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This is a tactic of people to say what they prefer to you believe, or as a way to state their opinion. It's rhetoric. It can be used with skill or without skill, it can cause a lot of confusion.

Instead of stating an opinion, a question can be asked, as you mentioned already.

I really won't go into this further, because I don't want anyone to read a "how to" here or get additional ideas.

But here's a question...

What is a parent actually doing when they tell one of their kids not to hit the other?

Example: "Stop hitting your sister!"

Breaking the sentence into two pieces, we get "hitting your sister!" and "Stop" but, the exact behavior that is unwanted is contained within the sentence. This can only put more attention on the undesired behavior.

If you examine our world, you will see in so many ways how certain messages produce the exact opposite effect most people would think the message is meant to convey.

Another example: any anti-drug poster. It simply brings attention to the drug. It encourages drug use because it puts into people's heads the exact substances that they are expected to avoid. It's the equivalent of putting drugs in the hands of kids and saying "Don't take this." (Cops actually do this in elementary schools to show kids how drug dogs can pick up scents. Yes. It's true.)

One place you are very likely to find effective communication is in marketing. They know how to do it. Why is the shoe store Payless going by a bad name? Customers will pay less / spend less. Now, if you look at some stores (such as CVS), you will see price stickers that say "You Pay" with the intended message being "You're special for shopping here. Others will pay more." All of course a lie. The price is offered to anyone who visits the store. But, it also contains an embedded command "You. Pay." or "You pay"

This is one of my favorite topics.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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Such tactics go far beyond ATS. We see it every day in the MSM but most people never give it a second thought because the technique is so subtle that they cannot distinguish that they have been introduced to the news piece in a particular way.

On ATS the effort is simply done more crudely and therefore is more noticeable to the trained senses. The gross distortions constantly jumping out at the eye herein are a constant joke, an amusement, if you can gain the necessary insight of the true intent.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by daynight42
reply to post by TheMindWar
 


This is a tactic of people to say what they prefer to you believe, or as a way to state their opinion. It's rhetoric. It can be used with skill or without skill, it can cause a lot of confusion.

Instead of stating an opinion, a question can be asked, as you mentioned already.

I really won't go into this further, because I don't want anyone to read a "how to" here or get additional ideas.

But here's a question...

What is a parent actually doing when they tell one of their kids not to hit the other?

Example: "Stop hitting your sister!"

Breaking the sentence into two pieces, we get "hitting your sister!" and "Stop" but, the exact behavior that is unwanted is contained within the sentence. This can only put more attention on the undesired behavior.

If you examine our world, you will see in so many ways how certain messages produce the exact opposite effect most people would think the message is meant to convey.

Another example: any anti-drug poster. It simply brings attention to the drug. It encourages drug use because it puts into people's heads the exact substances that they are expected to avoid. It's the equivalent of putting drugs in the hands of kids and saying "Don't take this." (Cops actually do this in elementary schools to show kids how drug dogs can pick up scents. Yes. It's true.)

One place you are very likely to find effective communication is in marketing. They know how to do it. Why is the shoe store Payless going by a bad name? Customers will pay less / spend less. Now, if you look at some stores (such as CVS), you will see price stickers that say "You Pay" with the intended message being "You're special for shopping here. Others will pay more." All of course a lie. The price is offered to anyone who visits the store. But, it also contains an embedded command "You. Pay." or "You pay"

This is one of my favorite topics.


Yup. Marketing can be very sinister indeed, a lot of mind control.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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So if someone posts something you disagree with, using certain language, it is clearly a "disinfo agent", but when someone does the same thing but promoting something you agree with, it is just someone "speaking truth".
Got it.

Government/1% agent signing off....



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by TheMindWar

I can see a method used by operatives that is difficult to explain and was wondering if anyone else realises this fact. I shall try and explain to you what I am seeing across conspiracy boards but its kind of difficult.

The titles used for threads can be very telling, titles by operatives attempt to "muudy the waters" for new readers and non-conspiracy theorists. The wording is fundemental to these operatives, because it needs to try and raise doubt in peoples minds.

For example: a title may say something like "do you believe OWS is running out of steam?"
This example title above is a "quiet" attempt to state a falsehood that it is running out of steam, when we know more people are waking up as each day passes. But whats more crucial in this example is the fact that the OP is also trying to leave themselves enough room to deny they are an operative.

As I said its difficult to explain, but check the titles of threads and try to see how the titles alone attempt to "quietly" throw doubt on a topic. When one realises this you end up seeing loads of such titles. I was wondering if anyone else is aware of this?



You mean like you just did?



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by NadaCambia
Sources amongst the ATS community say that the OP is wrong. Move a long people


A long what?



posted on Nov, 8 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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people do this with ron paul all the time.. makes me sick





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