Is Fukushima being allowed to burn because of a coming Ice Age?

This is a conspiracy site right?

I have been thinking about the weather and about some of the disasters of late and came up with a not so far fetched conspiracy though scary could be a well meant effort to save humanity. We are hearing about global warming on Television and yet are witnessing worsening winters yearly, there are some scientist that even say we are headed for a mini if not a full ice age.

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www.iceagenow.com...

for those not familiar with the process known as Radiative cooling here is a link for info on the subject:

en.wikipedia.org...

Many are familiar with what happened at the Chernobyl power plant and how quickly it was sealed up, why then is Fukushima being allowed to burn now? Could it be that they are hoping to trap some Fukushima radiation in the atmosphere (reflecting off cloud cover) to help stave off if not counter an ice age via reverse radiative cooling or rather radiative heating?

From Wiki:

The large-scale circulation of the Earth's atmosphere is driven by the difference in absorbed solar radiation per square meter, as the sun heats the Earth more in the Tropics, mostly because of geometrical factors. The atmospheric and oceanic circulation redistributes some of this energy as sensible heat and latent heat partly via the mean flow and partly via eddies, known as cyclones in the atmosphere. Thus the tropics radiate less to space than they would if there were no circulation, and the poles radiate more; however in absolute terms the tropics radiate more energy to space.

Radiative cooling is commonly experienced on cloudless nights, when heat is radiated into space from the surface of the Earth, or from the skin of a human observer. The effect is well-known among amateur astronomers, and can personally be felt on the skin of an observer on a cloudless night. To feel the effect, one compares the difference between looking straight up into a cloudless night sky for several seconds, to that of placing a sheet of paper between one's face and the sky. Since outer space radiates at about a temperature of 3 kelvins (-270 degrees Celsius or -450 degrees Fahrenheit), and the sheet of paper radiates at about 300 kelvins (room temperature), the sheet of paper radiates more heat to one's face than does the darkened cosmos. The effect is blunted somewhat by Earth's surrounding atmosphere which also traps heat. Note that it is not correct to say that the sheet "blocks the cold" of the night sky; instead, the sheet is literally warming your face, just like a camp fire warms your face; the only difference is that a campfire is several hundred degrees warmer than a sheet of paper, just like a sheet of paper is several hundred degrees warmer than the deep night sky.

The term radiative cooling is generally used for contemporary processes, though the same general principles apply to the cooling of the planet over geological time, which was first used by Kelvin in order to estimate the age of the Earth (though you cannot neglect the fission heat source for this purpose, so his answer was wrong).

Though I mean no disrespect to Japan or to it's people maybe this disaster could turn out to be a blessing in disguise if it turns out they haven't sealed the Fukushima Nuclear power plant because they are trying to warm up the planet via "Nuclear Global Warming"

I'm interested in what you think the reason is why they haven't sealed Fukushima yet, anyone?

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Because they want to slow kill as many as possible. Watch cancer rates explode in a few years...

They need 100X more Fukushimas maybe even 1000X's to truly affect climate.

(that's do-able too but God help us)

Originally posted by Signals
Because they want to slow kill as many as possible. Watch cancer rates explode in a few years...

They need 100X more Fukushimas maybe even 1000X's to truly affect climate.

(that's do-able too but God help us)

Assuming that many Millions if not Billions of human beings would die in a full ice age, if you were given the option to try and save as many people as you can how would you do it? Or would you try at all? Just curious.

So one malfunctioning nuclear power plant is supposed to heat the entire planet?

Does anyone actually think that might be the case? I hope not.

Originally posted by Turq1
So one malfunctioning nuclear power plant is supposed to warm the planet?

The stupidity of this is just disgusting.

You forget how many nuclear power plants there are in the world. If you read one of the articles it said sunspots will be gone by 2016. Have you google'd to see how many nuclear power plants in the world have has "Issues" in recent years? This is a conspiracy site after all, no need to get bent outta shape.

I hope not....this planet we live on is being abused daily..when is it going to stop.. the elite need to have a gag ball and be punished..sure it's not a problem with the radiation spewing into the air, & water...yummy:

Originally posted by Mr. D

Originally posted by Turq1
So one malfunctioning nuclear power plant is supposed to warm the planet?

The stupidity of this is just disgusting.

You forget how many nuclear power plants there are in the world. If you read one of the articles it said sunspots will be gone by 2016. Have you google'd to see how nuclear power plants in the world have has "Issues" in recent years? This is a conspiracy site after all, no need to get bent outta shape.

I forget how many nuclear power plants there are in the world? In your OP you ask

"Could it be that they are hoping to trap some Fukushima radiation in the atmosphere (reflecting off cloud cover) to help stave off if not counter an ice age via reverse radiative cooling or rather radiative heating?"

So the number of nuclear power plants is irrelevant. But bringing that up only hurts your proposal, why would they need a malfunctioning plant to heat the atmosphere when the numerous functioning power plants already do that?

I find that insulting and ignorant that you imply that since this is a conspiracy site, we're supposed to entertain the wildest imaginations without calling them out for the nonsense they are.

Originally posted by Turq1

Originally posted by Mr. D

Originally posted by Turq1
So one malfunctioning nuclear power plant is supposed to warm the planet?

The stupidity of this is just disgusting.

You forget how many nuclear power plants there are in the world. If you read one of the articles it said sunspots will be gone by 2016. Have you google'd to see how nuclear power plants in the world have has "Issues" in recent years? This is a conspiracy site after all, no need to get bent outta shape.

I forget how many nuclear power plants there are in the world? In your OP you ask

"Could it be that they are hoping to trap some Fukushima radiation in the atmosphere (reflecting off cloud cover) to help stave off if not counter an ice age via reverse radiative cooling or rather radiative heating?"

So the number of nuclear power plants is irrelevant. But bringing that up only hurts your proposal, why would they need a malfunctioning plant to heat the atmosphere when the numerous functioning power plants already do that?

I find that insulting and ignorant that you imply that since this is a conspiracy site, we're supposed to entertain the wildest imaginations without calling them out for the nonsense they are.

Why is the number of nuclear power plants irrelevant? This is a theory not a proposal and nuclear power plants release steam which quickly dissipates into the atmosphere. You are not supposed to do anything, no one is forcing you to read this thread.

Originally posted by 907blkcat
I hope not....this planet we live on is being abused daily..when is it going to stop.. the elite need to have a gag ball and be punished..sure it's not a problem with the radiation spewing into the air, & water...yummy

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I agree, not the best solution how would you do it? (Stop an Ice age).

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Keep on the track we are going right now.

If we are supposed to heat up the Earth burning fossil fuels, why would we not keep on the same process to heat the planet. Maybe that's why the green energy movement has small legs...

If we didn't do enough warming now, let just burn more...

For your hypothetical scenario anyway.

Pred...

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The reason it is so difficult to seal the buildings... seal them with what? There are 4 of them. They are huge and heavily damaged by all the earthquakes, Tsunamis, explosions and melting cores and spent fuel ponds. The cores and fuel ponds on at least three are below the reactor cement base. In the basements, if not below them, lie great lumps of Thermally and Radioactively "hot" slugs of corium, surrounded by a thick cocoon of slag. This "cocoon" contains the heat and prevents approach to the still hot metal, by any means.

Continuing to decay and produce fission by products and gasses that will escape any containment. Until all the fuel is "consumed" and the cores begin to cool off, it would not be a good idea to seal that kind of pressure in some kind of new containment. Further explosions might occur. Or pressure will fracture bedrock below the basement and radioactive contamination will find its way to groundwater and travel underground more than it already has. Thats the trouble with nuclear reactors. The stuff "wants out". Thats what all the fancy multiple redundant containment systems are in place for.

Logistics for unearthing these still "hot" cores beneath all that wreckage and hauling them out of there are mind boggling. Some kind of gynormous backhoe to dig and open the cores, releasing a whole new round of steam and fission by products is not on the agenda. And haul the nasty stuff where? Its still hot.

As crazy as it sounds the Japanese are literally being forced by the circumstances to let these beasts emit to the atmosphere, groundwater and worlds oceans until the cores cool off enough to then approach and decide what to do next about removing them. That will take years no matter what you hear in the press.

As I understand it Chernobyl's core is still in the basement of its reactor. It's not done emitting and won't be for a 100,000 years. Even though it is no longer molten, it is still highly dangerous and ongoing efforts to keep it "buried" continue.

Originally posted by predator0187
reply to post by Mr. D

 

Keep on the track we are going right now.

If we are supposed to heat up the Earth burning fossil fuels, why would we not keep on the same process to heat the planet. Maybe that's why the green energy movement has small legs...

If we didn't do enough warming now, let just burn more...

For your hypothetical scenario anyway.

Pred...

Maybe we are not burning enough fossil fuels to make a big enough difference so they threw radiation into the mix?

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by Mr. D

 

The reason it is so difficult to seal the buildings... seal them with what? There are 4 of them. They are huge and heavily damaged by all the earthquakes, Tsunamis, explosions and melting cores and spent fuel ponds. The cores and fuel ponds on at least three are below the reactor cement base. In the basements, if not below them, lie great lumps of Thermally and Radioactively "hot" slugs of corium, surrounded by a thick cocoon of slag. This "cocoon" contains the heat and prevents approach to the still hot metal, by any means.

Continuing to decay and produce fission by products and gasses that will escape any containment. Until all the fuel is "consumed" and the cores begin to cool off, it would not be a good idea to seal that kind of pressure in some kind of new containment. Further explosions might occur. Or pressure will fracture bedrock below the basement and radioactive contamination will find its way to groundwater and travel underground more than it already has. Thats the trouble with nuclear reactors. The stuff "wants out". Thats what all the fancy multiple redundant containment systems are in place for.

Logistics for unearthing these still "hot" cores beneath all that wreckage and hauling them out of there are mind boggling. Some kind of gynormous backhoe to dig and open the cores, releasing a whole new round of steam and fission by products is not on the agenda. And haul the nasty stuff where? Its still hot.

As crazy as it sounds the Japanese are literally being forced by the circumstances to let these beasts emit to the atmosphere, groundwater and worlds oceans until the cores cool off enough to then approach and decide what to do next about removing them. That will take years no matter what you hear in the press.

As I understand it Chernobyl's core is still in the basement of its reactor. It's not done emitting and won't be for a 100,000 years. Even though it is no longer molten, it is still highly dangerous and ongoing efforts to keep it "buried" continue.

They could build sarcophagi around the reactors like they did in Chernobyl to seal them off. The Japanese are quite capable of handling the logistics and have the technology required to seal the plants the question is why haven't they? (and yes they could have done it right at the beginning for those that say it is too late to fix it).

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Despite all the drama we hear, there is really not that much radiation leaking. Yeah, there was a spike directly afterwards and there has been a little that made its way across the pacific, but, it is really negligent in the scheme of warming the planet.

All radioactive particles have half lives, some are short and some are long, generally, the ones with longer half lives are heavier elements making it harder for them to stay in the atmosphere. The lighter ones like Iodine and Xenon have half lives of 8 and 5 days respectively, which really isn't enough time to warm a planet of our size.

If every reactor on the planet went critical at the same moment, we might see a little flux, but it would still be to small to avoid an upcoming ice age.

We have steel plants and iron factories that are burning and keeping metals at a molten state, and they do not affect the planets temperature.

Pred...

Originally posted by Mr. D
They could build sarcophagi around the reactors like they did in Chernobyl to seal them off. The Japanese are quite capable of handling the logistics and have the technology required to seal the plants the question is why haven't they? (and yes they could have done it right at the beginning for those that say it is too late to fix it).

How could they build a steel sarcophagus around a nuclear reactor in an area prone to earthquakes? would it not just fracture in the next one and create another leak?

As much as I hate Tepco, they have their hands tied on this one. They are building a steel frame structure around it to try and trap some of the excess radiation from it, but, it's just to make the world think they are actually doing something.

Pred...

Originally posted by predator0187
reply to post by Mr. D

 

Despite all the drama we hear, there is really not that much radiation leaking. Yeah, there was a spike directly afterwards and there has been a little that made its way across the pacific, but, it is really negligent in the scheme of warming the planet.

All radioactive particles have half lives, some are short and some are long, generally, the ones with longer half lives are heavier elements making it harder for them to stay in the atmosphere. The lighter ones like Iodine and Xenon have half lives of 8 and 5 days respectively, which really isn't enough time to warm a planet of our size.

If every reactor on the planet went critical at the same moment, we might see a little flux, but it would still be to small to avoid an upcoming ice age.

We have steel plants and iron factories that are burning and keeping metals at a molten state, and they do not affect the planets temperature.

Pred...

I think that the amount of material in the atmosphere and the amount of radioactive material that makes it to the ground makes quite a difference. Heat rises, the more material that makes it to the ground, the longer the earth warms up so to speak because the radiation will rise again via radiational cooling.

en.wikipedia.org...

Emission
Main article: Emission (electromagnetic radiation)

Emission is the opposite of absorption, it is when an object emits radiation. Objects tend to emit amounts and wavelengths of radiation depending on their "black body" emission curves, therefore hotter objects tend to emit more radiation, with shorter wavelengths. Colder objects emit less radiation, with longer wavelengths. For example, the Sun is approximately 6,000 K (5,730 °C; 10,340 °F), its radiation peaks near 500 nm, and is visible to the human eye. The Earth is approximately 290 K (17 °C; 62 °F), so its radiation peaks near 10,000 nm, and is much too long to be visible to humans.

Because of its temperature, the atmosphere emits infrared radiation. For example, on clear nights the Earth's surface cools down faster than on cloudy nights. This is because clouds (H2O) are strong absorbers and emitters of infrared radiation. This is also why it becomes colder at night at higher elevations. The atmosphere acts as a "blanket" to limit the amount of radiation the Earth loses into space.

The greenhouse effect is directly related to this absorption and emission (or "blanket") effect. Some chemicals in the atmosphere absorb and emit infrared radiation, but do not interact with sunlight in the visible spectrum. Common examples of these chemicals are CO2 and H2O. If there are too much of these greenhouse gases, sunlight heats the Earth's surface, but the gases block the infrared radiation from exiting back to space. This imbalance causes the Earth to warm, and thus climate change.

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Why is it irrelevant? I already told you.

Answer this, why would they need a malfunctioning plant to heat the atmosphere when the numerous functioning power plants already do that?

You're proposing a theory which is called a proposal. Grats.

Yes we're a conspiracy site, but let's try to maintain our image of being critical thinkers.

google china syndrome,basically there is no object on earth that can scoop up molten uranium or plutonium.the stuff is on a race to the core of the planet.the gas escaping is the concrete floor and the soil beneath it.think volcanoe hole being bored to the mantel .i am curious how long it takes?the way to warm the planet is to get all the carbon out of the ground and in the air along with water vapor.this will have a twofold effect by improving plant life which will give us more food.volcanoes help some.they pollute the air more than all humans combined.thats why the carbon tax is a scam.

Originally posted by Turq1
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Why is it irrelevant? I already told you. You state that Fukashima has been left in a state of disrepair to help heat the atmosphere. How does the number of nuclear plants affect why the Fukushima plant wouldn't be repaired? It doesn't make sense and it should be obvious.

You're proposing a theory

which is also called a proposal. Grats.

I never never said "I" if you read back on what I said. "We" are a conspiracy site but we still should have standards I hope you would agree.

Hopefully it doesn't include OPs covering their butts by stating this is a "conspiracy site".

edit on 30-10-2011 by Turq1 because: (no reason given)

I may not have explained myself correctly. Look at fukashima (nuclear power plants) as a notch on a global central heating and air thermostat and every nuclear power plant is another notch then you will understand what i mean. I do agree that there should be standards, deny ignorance shouldn't mean deny imagination through belittling as one poster did. Terraforming could be around the corner and maybe this is an initial attempt at that?

Originally posted by robomont
google china syndrome,basically there is no object on earth that can scoop up molten uranium or plutonium.the stuff is on a race to the core of the planet.the gas escaping is the concrete floor and the soil beneath it.think volcanoe hole being bored to the mantel .i am curious how long it takes?the way to warm the planet is to get all the carbon out of the ground and in the air along with water vapor.this will have a twofold effect by improving plant life which will give us more food.volcanoes help some.they pollute the air more than all humans combined.thats why the carbon tax is a scam.

Well if the planets core is molten anyway I guess the Uranium or Plutonium will be in good company right? Just kidding, I don't know what effect it will have on the core (if it even makes it that far). Maybe it is a fine balance between Carbon and radiation in the atmosphere that needs to be maintained to keep us all nice and toasty not to mention the ocean? Radiation is also supposedly leaking into the ocean.

en.wikipedia.org...

The term thermohaline circulation (THC) refers to a part of the large-scale ocean circulation that is driven by global density gradients created by surface heat and freshwater fluxes. The adjective thermohaline derives from thermo- referring to temperature and -haline referring to salt content, factors which together determine the density of sea water. Wind-driven surface currents (such as the Gulf Stream) head polewards from the equatorial Atlantic Ocean, cooling all the while and eventually sinking at high latitudes (forming North Atlantic Deep Water). This dense water then flows into the ocean basins. While the bulk of it upwells in the Southern Ocean, the oldest waters (with a transit time of around 1600 years) upwell in the North Pacific (Primeau, 2005). Extensive mixing therefore takes place between the ocean basins, reducing differences between them and making the Earth's ocean a global system. On their journey, the water masses transport both energy (in the form of heat) and matter (solids, dissolved substances and gases) around the globe. As such, the state of the circulation has a large impact on the climate of the Earth.