Whats your problem with OWS, and why dont you help?

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

First of all, I have said it many times already...even the Republican Party has been corrupted, or has been infiltrated by leftwingers passing for Republicans, very few Republicans in power are actually real Republicans.

Nah. I don't think its been corrupted at all. It was always conservative to the core and continues to be the same today. The only reason you think it is corrupt is because of the tea party astroturfing itself. You look in the mirror and you see a reflection of yourself, correct?

Republicans have ALWAYS been conservative?

Well, there's really not much to teach you then, is there? Maybe you ought to make yourself aware of the history of the Republican party before you say stupid crap like that. If your a Democrat, you probably ought to brush up on the history of your OWN party as well.

Democracies have a tendency to be brutal but at least they represent the majority, which is the way it should be imo.

Brutal, eh? well at least we know where you stand now, and what sort of tyranny you want to deliver to the Public.

Originally posted by gentledissident
If he's not lying, he would be considered more qualified than most here. If you were looking to hire someone with inside knowledge, his resume would look pretty good. I admit, it would be difficult to have met over 3000 important and famous people.

edit on 30-10-2011 by gentledissident because: (no reason given)

More qualified for what?... he was caught lying straight up yet you are so blind, and so brainwashed that you can't see what's in front of you.

First he claimed his movement was having NOTHING to do with the rich elites, their money, and their agenda, and he was talking as if he is one of the organizers of the OWS movement.

Now he is claiming:...

I've met every POTUS living, Met like the last 7 NJ Gov's, last 5 straight NY Gov's, Gov's for like a dozen other states, at least 50 members of the Senate (past and present), at least 100 members of The House (past and present) and I have no idea what I am talking about? Are you kidding me? I know way more about things that you will NEVER know about. I've worked on policy (domestic, international, energy, finance, transportation, infrastructure, military, intelligence, security) and have met a literate who's who. I however will not get into what was discussed or talked about here because I'd be breaking the law if I did for which you or anyone here will not force me to do.

Not only that, but he is bragging that he knows at least over 2,000 "stars", and his iq is venerated by the elites...

So what we got is,

1. This member is lying through his teeth, is a compulsive liar, and the OWS movement is not only being led by the far left, but also by delluded, and mentally unstable individuals.

or

2. This member is part of the elite and is embedded within the OWS movement EXACTLY like some other members and I have been saying.

I personally think it is number one, but that's just me.

Are you completely morally vacant?

OWD are not a protest but a mob.

They do not march to picket elected or even unelected officials, but invade other people's property and obstruct public property in the intent of disrupting and intimidating people going about their lawful purpose and working to support their families. These utter fulth that constitute OWS are no different to the schollyard bully, trying to squeeze out the lunch money form some poor weedy geek.

OWS is not the politics of liberty, but the politics of ENVY and I utterly condemn the Ploice for their namby-pamby treatment of this filth. It is high time the police should be out their with nightsticks, driving this scum into the backs of prisons across the country.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
you are so blind, and so brainwashed that you can't see what's in front of you.

I wasn't even looking. All I'm saying is, whenever an ATS member with actual inside experience posts, their posts have the potential to have more accurate information than those of us on the outside looking in.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
1. This member is lying through his teeth, is a compulsive liar, and the OWS movement is not only being led by the far left, but also by delluded, and mentally unstable individuals.

Maybe he's lying about his role in OWS.

A believable story would be that he is the son of someone important.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
That is communism and yes it is a brutal zombie system. No arguement there except you think socialism and communism is the same thing. That is were the dishonesty BEGINS on your part and MANY OTHERS! I have lived in socialist european countries for many years so I have first hand knowledge just like you alledge to have lived in cuba.

Humm... I wonder who said "socialism is but a stage to transform a capitalist country into communism"... Oh yeah, it was Karl Marx.

The Fourth Phase: Socialism

Marx has never used the concept of state socialism. He usually used "socialism or social society." Marx meant by socialism the stage that follows capitalism. Socialism, according to Marx, entails the removal of social inequalities through limited social and government ownership of property and the means of production and distribution, and the redistribution of wealth and resources through high taxes and confiscation. For Marx, it is a transitional stage between capitalism and communism.
...

www.chsbs.cmich.edu...


Perhaps it is you who is extremely ignorant on this topic? Just a thought.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
But ask yourself which party is for big business and which party pretends to be against it? I know the answer.

Somehow missed this as well. Anyway, just because thanks to the leftwingers our political parties are corrupted does not in any way, shape or form makes true Republicanism obsolete, or "an evil political system". But the leftwingers agenda on the other hand has been, and continues to be the complete destruction of the United States Constitution, and everything which used to make the United States of America great.

If you take out the socialist programs implemented by the left, including the Feds, and the IRS as it exists today, you would take away the money system that put in power the rich elites, and slowly but surely the U.S., and the world, would recover from what the leftwinger agenda have done to us all.

One more thing, what you said about JFK trying to get rid of the Feds, you would have to prove it. Also I have posted many times how a German filmaker found evidence that castro was behind JFK's murder, and not "the CIA"... That claim that the CIA murdered JFK is exactly what people like castro would make...

www.spiegel.de...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


1. Viewpoint of centre is that of without political persuasion influence using the stance of party above nation but putting nation and people first in your mind, heart and soul is how you are supposed to look at the doc. It has everything to do with the doc and to say that is borderline treasonist!

2. Nah, that's you as I've already defeated you on the last like what? 5 straight and you try to come here thinking you'll finally get a win but to be defeated yet again.

3. It has everything to do with the rich whereas at least 20 companies don't pay one single cent in taxes yet make north of $60 Billion plus a year. That's taxable income on at lest $2.4 Trillion in lost tax revenue year after year! As to my involvement they thought that they could turn me but my sworn allegiance to both The People Of and The United States Of America, humanity, The Holy Family is too unbreakable.

I want no part of their life. Comes with too many conditions!

4. That is whose policy you all are so religiously defending and bowing to any are so adamantly against anything else that isn't remotely or a carbon copy of.

Post 2 :

The 99% is you, is me, is your father, mother, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, grandparent, cousin, neighbour, co worker, barber, butcher, gardener, doctor, pharmacist, deli store clerk, taxi driver, bus operator, rail operator, law enforcement official, firefighter, drs office receptionist, emergency medical tech, postal worker, teacher, librarian and anyone else who isn't a billionaire or trillionaire!

reply to post by gentledissident


Everytime something major or somewhat major happens it's like a new flood of a ton of information that only those that either "in the know" or "approved" could only possibly know about a particular item.

This has been going on for the last like 12 years (1998-1999 timeframe) and have been on their radar since the late 1980's- Early 1990's on unrelated items and an item I am under constraints to speak of.

What got me on their radar as an adult was my involvement serving as a liaison for Matchbox Toys International, Inc. and it's current parent company Mattel, Inc. Yes, that Mattel! 2002 - present and is ongoing which has me in a unique club, I am owner of one of the 11 rarest diecasts model cars in the world.

Matchbox 2006 "Officer" Dudding Commemorative Ford Crown Victoria Police Car :





This was one of the very few times I was actually able to accept a physical item I could take home.


This is the model Matchbox Toys International, Inc.-Mattel, Inc. made for me
Courtesy of John Coyne, Felix Holst, Micheal Heralda, Robert Eckertt. This is by far the coolest thing that anyone has ever done for me.

Copyrights
"Officer" 2006 - 2011 DI Enteprises, Inc.-Mattel, Inc.
Pic - 2006 - 2011 DI Enterprises, Inc. in conjunction with The MCCH & Aluminum, Refrigeration, Engineering & Safety, Inc.
Ford Oval and nameplates are registered trademarks owned and licensed by Ford Motor Company and is used under liscence to DI Enterprises, Inc. in conjunction with Mattel, Inc. www.ford.com

This as of Oct 2011 is only 1 of 9 exclusive "One Off" models made by Mattel, Inc. 5 Ambassador Models, 1 MB 50th Anniversary Seagrave Meanstick, MB Passport Land Rover Defender 110, HW 40th Anniversary Custom "Diamond" Otto, Tomica 40th Anniversary platinum Nissan Fairlady Z (370Z) and this.

Yes, I had to meet with 4 people from Ford whereas they require that if a model of theirs is to be done they require full disclosure. It's a rider that is apart of their diecast replication contract!

Good luck trying to replicate! Uninsurable as a valuation is impossible to determine and be well into the 5 figures!

In short I'm able to id truth on just observation alone and have a unique and uncanny way to connect things using reality, logic and common sense and am not afraid to let someone in a position of power know of what I see. Hence why most of what I speak of is not ramlbing or rabble but come and draw from my experience.

Things I've done work on or for is not up for discussion here but what my experience has taught me in how the world really looks and works. Step 1 in solving any disaster is to first stop, step back, re-examine dialog, problem solving, problem fix and implementation and activation of permanent agendas and policies to be proactice to prevent the same item from repeating itself. It sounds complex and it no doubt is but once it's started progress can be acquired near instantly!

Coupled with my higher then normal iq makes me a real negotiation force to be reckoned with. I am rarely challenged or second guessed and usually have the last word in items while trying to educate my target and to illuminate them in order to show them the error of their ways like I am today.

I will say this though if I didn't do what I did to who or what I did when I did it we'd all be in a considerably worser off predicament today if there was no me! I happen to be extremely good at what I do. I'd prefer that we'd not all be nitpicking at one another because that is a day that we lose gaining ground. This petty bickering is nonsense Everytime we do they are sitting back laughing at us and are not taking us seriously. Political divisiveness has got to end for not only our sake, but the sake of the nation and humanity!

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Post 2 :

The 99% is you, is me, is your father, mother, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, grandparent, cousin, neighbour, co worker, barber, butcher, gardener, doctor, pharmacist, deli store clerk, taxi driver, bus operator, rail operator, law enforcement official, firefighter, drs office receptionist, emergency medical tech, postal worker, teacher, librarian and anyone else who isn't a billionaire or trillionaire!

I don't know how many times I have to say this, but it will probably never sink in. I AM NOT in your "99%", nor am I anything even approaching rich. Just because you want to co-opt me into your collective doesn't make it so. You don't have the luxury of categorizing me to suit your own agenda. Just because you want to define me doesn't mean the definition is applicable, The draft ended years ago, and I flat out refuse to be drafted into your collective in this new attempt at a draft.

Fight yer own damn battles, and leave me out of it.

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Counting down and then rushing the police line. THEN when the police respond to their aggression it's brutality? How much of this is actually going down this way and we are expected to believe that ever aggressive action by law enforcement is simply brutality?

Well if you barricade people in like animals then I believe you must expect them to react..
Fact is that's probably what the police are counting on..

What "right" do the police have to barricade peaceful protesters???

I think they are barracading them OUT.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


ElectricUniverse is right, Reagan was a Democrat who switched parties along with Jean Kirkpatrick. He was a Patriot and stood up against the Soviet Communist apparatus.

reply to post by nenothtu


You are The 99% like it or not. You are in by default. You are not a billionaire or a trillionaire. They will toss you under the bus just as quick as they'd toss me.

The draft is to take back our nation and future from those that have hijacked it. What if God forbid something were to happen to you? What would your family do? Exactly like a vast majority of people here your household is only 1 debilitating illness from total, swift and complete financial collapse.

The SCUM have already stated quite clearly that they want to depopulate 70 - 80% of the population and that does not include either you or I,

For each and everyone of us the future looks dimmer and bleaker by the day and the degradation and erosion continues. What has to happen for you to say, "Enough is enough?"?

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Under orders from his bosses at GE during the 1950's was ordered to switch parties.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by nenothtu

 

You are The 99% like it or not. You are in by default. You are not a billionaire or a trillionaire. They will toss you under the bus just as quick as they'd toss me.

See? I TOLD you you wouldn't be capable of comprehending it!

The draft is to take back our nation and future from those that have hijacked it.

I'm not going to accept being drafted. Trust me, you're a LOT better off handling your own messes without me as an inside man in your silly little 99 Percenter Club.

It's not at all about "taking the nation back". If it were, it would have an effective strategy focused in that direction. What it's REALLY about is stealing the nation and giving it to new owners, and STILL leaving the People out in the cold.

More properly that should be phrased as "destroying the nation and rebuilding it after their own blueprint" rather than "stealing the nation", I suppose. I want no part of the blueprint they've shown.

What if God forbid something were to happen to you? What would your family do?

Pretty much the same thing they're doing now, I expect. It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when". Something WILL happen to me eventually, and I will die like all mortals do. I saw fit to see to it that they are as independent as possible for when that evil day arrives. That's part of my job - seeing to it that they are taken care of, and that they are able to take care of themselves so that they don't fail when I do.

Exactly like a vast majority of people here your household is only 1 debilitating illness from total, swift and complete financial collapse.

Actually, that's not even sort of true.

The SCUM have already stated quite clearly that they want to depopulate 70 - 80% of the population and that does not include either you or I,

Doesn't matter whether they want to "depopulate" me or not. I will eventually die with or without their help. Out of curiosity, why would their depopulation plans not include me? 70-80% is a lot of people, and I'm not sure how I could have slipped through those cracks.

For each and everyone of us the future looks dimmer and bleaker by the day and the degradation and erosion continues.

Nope, not each and every one of us. It depends entirely on what one wants out of life regarding a "future", and that in turn is apparently influenced solely by how greedy one is. Otherwise, it would be a non-issue.

What has to happen for you to say, "Enough is enough?"?

That happened a LONG time ago. What would make you think I haven't said "ENOUGH!" simply because I'm not aboard the robbery express to eat the rich? Why should I care even a little bit about the rich? Are they unable to care for themselves or something? I'm baffled as to why I need to concern myself with them and consume myself about them. It's not like I haven't got better things to do, and greed and envy have never been strong selling points with me.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by nenothtu

 

You are The 99% like it or not. You are in by default. You are not a billionaire or a trillionaire. They will toss you under the bus just as quick as they'd toss me.

The draft is to take back our nation and future from those that have hijacked it. What if God forbid something were to happen to you? What would your family do? Exactly like a vast majority of people here your household is only 1 debilitating illness from total, swift and complete financial collapse.

The SCUM have already stated quite clearly that they want to depopulate 70 - 80% of the population and that does not include either you or I,

For each and everyone of us the future looks dimmer and bleaker by the day and the degradation and erosion continues. What has to happen for you to say, "Enough is enough?"?

edit on 31-10-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

I don't care for your fanciful and would be tyrannical way of drafting me into your cause. That is the problem with OWS. You claim to be for freedom and then don't allow the freedom for your faux "99%" to have a choice. I am NOT a part of your cause. In fact, that mindset, displayed by the mindless goons and internet thugs who clearly do not believe in freedom, is making me more an more hardened against OWS. We are free to believe what YOU want us to believe. We are free to support the movement and only that movement. We are not free to have dissenting opinions, our own ideas about anything. Veering from the party line is treason. And from a lot of the messages conveyed to me and others on ATS and elsewhere, treason against OWS may be met with violence.
You guys are far worse than the bankers. And I'm not fan of them either.

This movement has grown to be bigger then anything in recent memory.

I guess your job needs to go, you home needs to be taken, your insurance to be taken before you two care.

We are not out to replace the leadership, replace the Gov't structure, steal the nation as what we seek is to absolute dismissal and erasure of corporate and bank money into politics. If you are against this you've already conceded your rights to these fools long ago. This is not another opinion but cold hard fact. We seek to restore the rule of law, restore the rule of open and free democracy where the public interest no longer competes with the corporate interest and if you are against this you no longer have the ability to think for yourself. You are admitting to being owned and controlled by the banks and will do whatever they want with you and is yet another cold hard fact. Another thing we seek is the absolute reversal of the 2010 SCOTUS decision that said that foreign companies can donate as much as they want to a campaign effectively furthering access to our elected leaders from the grip of the citizenry that they are representing.

Neither one of y'all two understand the simple premise of a "Free nation led by free people"!

Private control over key elements of our infrastructure we seek to eliminate and ban,

After all are done then and only then can we remake America to work for Americans.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
This movement has grown to be bigger then anything in recent memory.

I guess your job needs to go, you home needs to be taken, your insurance to be taken before you two care.

I think we've had this discussion before. neither my job nor my home will be taken, as neither is dependent on anyone else, nor beholden to any man, banker or not. I neither have nor want any insurance, and am all set to refuse it when Obamacare tries to force me into it with their silly and unconstitutional "individual mandate".

We are not out to replace the leadership, replace the Gov't structure, steal the nation as what we seek is to absolute dismissal and erasure of corporate and bank money into politics. If you are against this you've already conceded your rights to these fools long ago. This is not another opinion but cold hard fact.

How is it "fact"? I've conceded (I think you probably really meant "ceded" here) none of my rights to any man or organization, OWS included. All rights reserved.

We seek to restore the rule of law, restore the rule of open and free democracy where the public interest no longer competes with the corporate interest

Uh, see, the notion of "restoring" democracy is a wee bit problematic here... and "restoring" the rule of law is some sort of joke - we have he rule of law. What you really want is new laws to rule.

and if you are against this you no longer have the ability to think for yourself. You are admitting to being owned and controlled by the banks and will do whatever they want with you and is yet another cold hard fact.

Because you said so? Another decree from on high?

Another thing we seek is the absolute reversal of the 2010 SCOTUS decision that said that foreign companies can donate as much as they want to a campaign effectively furthering access to our elected leaders from the grip of the citizenry that they are representing.

I'm all for not allowing anyone to donate to a political campaign at all, foreign or not, corporation or not.

Neither one of y'all two understand the simple premise of a "Free nation led by free people"!

Not your kind of "freedom", as placed on exhibit below.

Private control over key elements of our infrastructure we seek to eliminate and ban,

Where does your brand of "freedom" go when you start banning private people from doing as they wish, and providing competitive services? Just out of curiosity, which "key elements of infrastructure" are you talking about?

After all are done then and only then can we remake America to work for Americans.

there's the key, and the truth slips out. REMAKE Amerika. That would be remake Amerika in YOUR IMAGE. I don't want it, won't have it, and most certainly will not live to see it.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by nenothtu

 

You are The 99% like it or not. You are in by default. You are not a billionaire or a trillionaire. They will toss you under the bus just as quick as they'd toss me.

The draft is to take back our nation and future from those that have hijacked it. What if God forbid something were to happen to you? What would your family do? Exactly like a vast majority of people here your household is only 1 debilitating illness from total, swift and complete financial collapse.

The SCUM have already stated quite clearly that they want to depopulate 70 - 80% of the population and that does not include either you or I,

For each and everyone of us the future looks dimmer and bleaker by the day and the degradation and erosion continues. What has to happen for you to say, "Enough is enough?"?

edit on 31-10-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

Count me out of "your" 99% too. I'm far from "rich" so I deffinately don't fall into the 1%. But if I were to join a group it would be the Tea Party not OWS. I've said this many times on other threads like this, you don't speak for me, you don't represent me, I do that. You try and draft me? Oh, I'll have so much fun.

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

We are not out to replace the leadership

That line troubles me for some reason. The leadership does need to be replaced. obamas driving us off a cliff with his foot on the gas pedal.

Another thing we seek is the absolute reversal of the 2010 SCOTUS decision that said that foreign companies can donate as much as they want to a campaign effectively furthering access to our elected leaders from the grip of the citizenry that they are representing.

This is the first thing I've heard that I actually agree with.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Alright, so you do realize that both of your parties are corrupt
I have mistaken you for the type of person who is so tangled up in their partisan paradigm that they can't see this.

I don't oppose Republicanism, as long as the government is appointed by the people (elections) and rules the nation in their interest, under law, bound to the peoples constitution AND has a clear separation of powers between the executive and legislative.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

1. Viewpoint of centre is that of without political persuasion influence using the stance of party above nation but putting nation and people first in your mind, heart and soul is how you are supposed to look at the doc. It has everything to do with the doc and to say that is borderline treasonist!

Really? and says so the person who knows royalty, many of the world elites, and who according to him the world elites love him for his iq, and this same person is supporting a movement organized by the world socialist elites... Ooook....

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
2. Nah, that's you as I've already defeated you on the last like what? 5 straight and you try to come here thinking you'll finally get a win but to be defeated yet again.

LOL, you have only shown to be full of yourself, and to support the world socialist elites... Not to mention that you respond to EVIDENCE with CLAIMS... Yet you think that makes you smart, and that makes you win arguments?...

Where were you when the Tea Party movement was in full force?... Did you even support it? And don't give that BS excuse that "it was paid off"...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
3. It has everything to do with the rich whereas at least 20 companies don't pay one single cent in taxes yet make north of $60 Billion plus a year. That's taxable income on at lest $2.4 Trillion in lost tax revenue year after year! As to my involvement they thought that they could turn me but my sworn allegiance to both The People Of and The United States Of America, humanity, The Holy Family is too unbreakable.

You don't solve this problem by giving the government more control and more power, or by consolidating all power to one branch of government like your movement wants to do... You deal with this not by FORCING anyone to give you money or your own bailouts, but rather by destroying what the leftwingers began in 1913. Bring back the gold and silver standards as the sole form of payment which even is specified by the U.S. Constitution. When you take away the power of the "paper dollar", and start paying people in silver and gold, it will take away the control over the economy.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
I want no part of their life. Comes with too many conditions!

Riiiight... i guess that is the reason why you know so many of them?....

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
4. That is whose policy you all are so religiously defending and bowing to any are so adamantly against anything else that isn't remotely or a carbon copy of.

The policy I am defending and bowing to is The United States Constitution...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
The 99% is you, is me, is your father, mother, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, grandparent, cousin, neighbour, co worker, barber, butcher, gardener, doctor, pharmacist, deli store clerk, taxi driver, bus operator, rail operator, law enforcement official, firefighter, drs office receptionist, emergency medical tech, postal worker, teacher, librarian and anyone else who isn't a billionaire or trillionaire!

BS, most of my family and friends know not to support movements like yours because we have all experienced what your type of movement and thinking leads to...

Every person is a unique individual. We are not made from the same mold like the One World Socialist elites want us to be, and people will never accept this. Even those who are cheering for it, including for a One World Order, if it is not stopped, people eventually will either die not liking it one bit, or fight it.

Millions, if not billions of people have lived through other attemps by the world elites to "create a people's party/movement", yet EVERY time such movements took control, they only brought suffering and death.

Millions, if not billions of people will certainly fight against another attempt to creat a One World socialist dictatorship, which is exactly what your movement wants. Not to mention the eradication of private property, the prohibition and destruction of Capitalism, and for every man, woman, and child in this world to accept not only a One World Government, not only a One World economy, but also a One World Religion, or no religion at all...