US is only Capitalist, PROFIT-based Healthcare in World! NYC Doctors, Nurses Join OCCUPY Revolution

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


That's kind of rude. Another American that only cares for himself. Unless you we're being sarcastic but I think not.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
reply to post by ignant

 

Have you thought about moving to Canada with your brother for his treatments? Their medical is totally free up there, and I'm sure they'll gladly help him.

he is an iraq 'war' veteran

so luckily it is 'paid' for - not 100%, but anyways, that which is, is with ATSer taxpayer dollars, or wherever the 1.5 million dollars in VA health benefits to 'cure' his cancer come from.

personally i suspect his cancer (ewing's carcoma) came from questionable, experimental multiple 'vaccinations' probably given during enlistment.

note, they supposedly do not remove the tumor until after chemo and radiotherap, at which point if the chemo for a year has not been effective enough, the decision is made to amputate the entire leg from the tumor (in femur-hip junction) and down. they make more money on top of it all, for amputation so just like cancer itself, its all about maximum profit in US healthcare, (everything but actually caring about the citizen's health) and i wouldnt be surprised if a year and change from now, they are telling him they need to amputate

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Well, that little fact omitted from your previous posts seems to be your brother's savior. If you don't mind passing it on, thank your brother for his service to his country from me, a fellow veteran.

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I hope everything goes Ok. Please thank him for his service.

Originally posted by pigwithoutawig
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

 

That's kind of rude. Another American that only cares for himself. Unless you we're being sarcastic but I think not.

Well, seeing as the Canadians in this thread seem to enjoy saying their medical system is $0 I figured it wouldn't hurt for his brother to come up there for his treatment. He wouldn't be drain on their system seeing as $0 + $0 is still equal to $0.

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TORT reform is not what you think it is. it is not there to protect from scam lawsuits nor to keep pricing in check. it is there to remove accountability and public outing of potential bad practices. I speak from personal experience as a family member essentially died from gross neglect.

with the cap on suits, no lawyer wanted to take our case, and the state officials ruled outing the people in question would potentially be bad for local medical practice in large. so we and a substantial amount of other folks in the same boat did what we could and got a week long write up in the local paper showing the MRSA rates for each facility. the hospital mainly in question saw it's numbers drop, so at least a sliver of justice emerged.

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


I have no problem for him to come here to get treatment.

Originally posted by pigwithoutawig
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

 

I have no problem for him to come here to get treatment.

Really? So you personally would be willing to solely pick up the addition taxes for him to be treated up there?

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


I would be willing to pay my share, as I'm sure enough other Canadians would too.

Originally posted by pigwithoutawig
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

 

I would be willing to pay my share, as I'm sure enough other Canadians would too.

Well that's big of you. Charity for all as long as it's other peoples' money. If I send you my car payment bill each month, do you think the other Canadians you speak for will pay it for me?

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

Sure, if you trust me to pay your car payment then by all means send it to me and I'll even get other Canadians to chip in. Trust me I speak for all Canadians. I'm going to bed, wasting time with your feeble comments, troll.

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Please pay for my college education too.

Originally posted by pigwithoutawig
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

 

Oh you are right about that, we do pay for it with our taxes. But In Canada we don't mind. We think like Spock " The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or something like that. We like that if your sick and have to go to hospital, you can. There are very few Canadians that have ever gone bankrupt because of medical bills. If we have such low quality health care then how come our life expectancy is longer then the U.S. We're 11 to your 36.en.wikipedia.org...

Holy Chesus K Rice, MAN Cuba beats US Ok it is only 1 above the USA (At 35).... BUT OMG!

LOL this is too funny to pass up. So you're saying that your fed up with the healthcare system. But some folks show up at OWS to give you all free health care exams and then inoculate you or at least diagnose the problem?

Thats too funny!

its more like people have already been protesting corporate wall st & bankers for months and now doctors & nurses have joined in to presumably protest the current us healthcare system which is also heavily corporate.

so the docs are offering FREE HEALTHCARE exam at the protest - as an example of how healthcare should be more like, i guess??

Originally posted by ignant
its more like people have already been protesting corporate wall st & bankers for months and now doctors & nurses have joined in to presumably protest the current us healthcare system which is also heavily corporate.

so the docs are offering FREE HEALTHCARE exam at the protest - as an example of how healthcare should be more like, i guess??

edit on 24-10-2011 by ignant because: (no reason given)

well I wouldn't count "free exams" as a good measurement of social/universal healthcare. most every doctor/insurance company offers those from time to time. they gain trust by doing it for free, but also gain potential mega-profits when they can diagnose some real life/death ailments.

most contractors do this to, free service call under circumstance, but rest assured they will find something wrong. until I see upper tier surgeons and specialist doing this, I wouldn't give it too much credance as most lower scale healthcare workers are unionized.

i agree that doctors in general are first and foremost businessmen, in USA. medical ethics say its supposed to be altruism first, but really?

anyways so if the doctors and nurses are supporting anti-capitalist protestors, are you saying it must be lip service?

in my opinion, theres the good doctors who would admit it shouldn't be about making as much $ as you can, but helping people with reasonable fees they or the government infrastructure can afford..

.. given how densely populated, obese/fat, sickly, unstable, emo, wild, promiscuous, and drug-dependent so many Americans are these days.

Originally posted by wingsfan
reply to post by seabag

 

TORT reform is not what you think it is. it is not there to protect from scam lawsuits nor to keep pricing in check. it is there to remove accountability and public outing of potential bad practices. I speak from personal experience as a family member essentially died from gross neglect.

with the cap on suits, no lawyer wanted to take our case, and the state officials ruled outing the people in question would potentially be bad for local medical practice in large. so we and a substantial amount of other folks in the same boat did what we could and got a week long write up in the local paper showing the MRSA rates for each facility. the hospital mainly in question saw it's numbers drop, so at least a sliver of justice emerged.

I'm not going to jump in on the Health care thing, as socialized health care isn't going to come to America. I don't see the prices adjusting considering the money it takes in student loans to become a doctor, the high prices is the only way they can pay back their debt. I think we need to get that fixed.

As for tort reform. I'm not sure where to stand, on one had lawsuits are good. The fear of lawsuites is what keeps corporation and doctors(I'm not going to lump doctors in the same boat entirely just making a point) in check, nothing hurts scammers and the rich then attacking the wallet. However the system becomes broke when ambulance chasing lawyers exist and good doctors do take hits. Though when it comes to a loser pays system I would hate to see a someone with a legitimated case get shafted. I wish I could just say that the courts would socialize malpractice cases, but then you would have ambulance chasers attacking the taxpayers then.

Its a tricky situation.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II

US is only Capitalist, PROFIT-based Healthcare in World!

Could that be why so many socialist medical system patients come here to get care they can't in their own countries?

most of those socialist medical system patients go to america, not because the care is better, it's because their country pays for their treatment to reduce backlog in their own system.

they provide care for all it's citizens and are not about to let people die. these country's problem is not treatment or quality, it's lack of doctors.

america doesn't have that problem because no one can afford healthcare. that's why the hospitals are empty.

they let their citizens die like pigs instead of making treatment affordable. you know, lamborghini gallardo's don't pay for themselves.

so keep working and getting healthcare. the reason the healthcare system in america is job-based is to keep you alive to pay taxes.

if don't you work, then no taxes and no reason for healthcare. your life, literally depends on your job. nice system.

losing your job, being under 18 , working for yourself or going to college shouldn't potentially be a death sentence for you or your family. which it is in america.

So here in the UK where we have terrible health care,it has treated me for Brain tumours for the last 10 years, 2 courses of chemotherapy, Radiotherapy, 2 brain surgeries, more than 10 MRI scans, support groups, counselling, medications, see a GP within two days, MRI scans whenever I want. Yeah it's a really terrible system. How much has all this cost me? The only costs I have had is paying to get too and from treatments and for the parking at the hospital. Terrible I tell you.

Now the US also spends twice as much of their GDP on health care than the UK. Spending all that money and still not providing a decent service for the whole country, where are you guys going wrong?