Plan C: World War III

reply to post by TheRedneck


uh russia doesnt use old equipment, they have mostly new stuff. they are ahead of any other country in advanced weapons tech

Ummm fraid not there bo. Russia still has plenty of old Soviet weaponry around that is included in their arsenal. They just recently begun going through a military modernization program but many systems are still behind cutting edge. Just because its "new" to them doesnt mean that it is "new". Research it.

Originally posted by thegreatsean
reply to post by TheRedneck

 

uh russia doesnt use old equipment, they have mostly new stuff. they are ahead of any other country in advanced weapons tech

"It would be nice if it were?" Oh wow...are you some sort of fatalist? You really wish the end of the world would happen in a couple years? uneblievable...get some help bo.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
12-21-2012, if I am not mistaken, is not the end but the beginning of a new era according to the Mayan calendar. The last period of the old cycle was seen as a time of turmoil and trouble, due to the evils of mathematical incompatibility between the various cycles.

So yeah, it might all be over by 12-21-2012... would be nice if it were. 12 months and 29 days...

TheRedneck

A lot of discussion is going on here about prophecy and how it plays into the equation and i felt i needed to point something out.

Prophecy and free will cannot co-exist. The best way to explain this is this example:

God is omnipotent and infallable. Therefore, he knows all and sees all, including the past, present and future. Thus, prophecy can exist, because what is going to happen in the future is known before it happens.

This however precludes free will from the equation. Again, God being infallable, cannot be wrong. Therefore, anything he knows will happen, will happen. This means that my future is mapped out before me. While i feel I have free will, i truely do not. If i change my mind on somthing i decided weeks ago, God already knew i would. It is not free will. I can elaborate more if need be, but this should get the point across.

I would like to suggest if there is an diety, one thing he cannot do is see the future. I refuse to believe i am not in charge of my destiny and am essentially a deluded automaton, destined to live out a life mapped out eons before i was born.

reply to post by concernedcitizen519

Yeah, that did get lost... sorry and thanks for reposting it.

I'm going by the advertised schedule: all troops home by 12-31-2011. If the idea is to get our people out of harms way, that places an attack on Iran sometime in early 2012. How early? That depends, I would imagine, on how well things go in Africa, and possibly how things go with Venezuela... I'm still thinking something has to give there for the plan to succeed.

You know, I just reread that last paragraph and it sounds like I am planning this mess! I'm not; I'm just trying to follow the thinking of those who are. Personally, I would love it if we could suddenly become the country Ron Paul wants us to be and put all this manipulation and international intrigue behind us once and for all.

TheRedneck

reply to post by princeofpeace

You misunderstand me.

Let us assume the date of 12-21-2012 is of significance to a WWIII. It will either end or begin on that date, in other words. Given that assumption, I would prefer for it to last some time less than 14 months than for a potentially extended time, especially if I am right and the opening shots are not scheduled until 2012.

That's not fatalist; it's realistic. A short war is preferable to a long war.

And that is especially true when coupled with the fact that I do not see this coming potential war as an end for mankind, and certainly not an end for me. I plan on surviving whatever comes along. Since Bible verses are already being thrown around, let me share one of my favorites:

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil
for thou art with me."

The key word is "through". All we have to do is get through what is to come and try to rebuild once that is done. Expecting to not come out the other side is fatalist.

TheRedneck

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Translation To Arabic

■ 1 مايو 2011 :
واشنطن -- قتل اسامة بن لادن ، ومواجهة الارهاب العالمي ومهندس هجمات 11 سبتمبر 2001 ، والهجمات ، في اشتباك مع قوات النخبة الاميركية الاثنين ، ثم دفن في البحر بسرعة في خاتمة مذهلة لعقد خلسة على المدى .
المصدر : www.cbsnews.com...


■ 11 يونيو حزيران. 2011 :
وقتل فضل عبدالله محمد ، رئيس تنظيم القاعدة في شرق افريقيا والعقل المدبر وراء تفجيرات عام 1998 السفارة الاميركية في كينيا وتنزانيا ، وخلال تبادل لاطلاق النار مع قوات الحكومة الصومالية في مقديشو.
المصدر : abcnews.go.com...


■ 30 سبتمبر 2011 :
الرئيس باراك أوباما علنا ​​وبفخر وأكد وفاة في اليمن الجمعة واحدة من أبرز قادة تنظيم القاعدة ، رجل الدين الأمريكي المولد أنور العولقي.
المصدر : www.politico.com...


■ 20 أكتوبر 2011 :
قتل الزعيم الليبي معمر القذافي بعد اعتقاله من قبل مقاتلين ليبية كان يسخر منه مرة واحدة ك "الفئران" ، ويحشر بالرصاص في رأسه بعد ان تجاوز المعقل الأخير للمقاومة في مسقط رأسه في مدينة سرت.
المصدر : www.reuters.com...

يبدو يقتلون الكثير من قادة الإرهاب في الوقت الحاضر ، وجميع من لهم في المناطق التي تكون فيها الولايات المتحدة (أو التحالفات التي تقودها الولايات المتحدة) تعمل هذا ويمكن بسهولة اعتبار الرئيس أوباما الثناء عضلاته لاظهار انه هو الرئيس القوي ، لا سيما في ضوء الانتخابات المقبلة 2012 حيث كان هو وجود مشكلة خطيرة في استطلاعات الرأي. وأعرب الكثير من القلق ولكن يبدو لي أن أذكر خلال السنوات الثماني التي قضاها بوش ، بسبب سياسته في تنفيذ الاغتيالات من هذا القبيل... بما في ذلك المخاوف التي يثيرها أي خلاف باراك أوباما الآن للرئيس.

نحن نشهد تحولا في سياسات أوباما خلال الانتخابات؟ أم أن هناك شيء أكثر مزعجة وشريرة في المستقبل القريب؟

لقد عرفت لبعض الوقت الآن بأن الحرب على الإرهاب كلها كانت أقل من الإرهاب والمزيد عن المال. على وجه التحديد ، وقد دعمت الدولار منذ رفع معيار الذهب من قبل الدول الصناعية تجد شيئا حتى أغلى : النفط. النفط دون تشغيل أي شيء ؛ إغلاق المصانع إلى أسفل ؛ مشلولة الحكومات ؛ الاقتصادات طحن الى طريق مسدود. بالاتفاق مع منظمة أوبك ، وتحديدا مع المملكة العربية السعودية تقديرا لشركات النفط الأميركية يجري على استعداد لحفر هناك خلال الأيام الأولى للتنقيب عن النفط وأوبك الوحيد المقبول دولار للنفط -- أي شيء آخر. لا روبل ، والعلامات ، والين والجنيه ، أو بيزو. وقد تسبب ذلك الدولار ليصبح العملة الموحدة الدولية.

منذ انهيار نظام سعر الصرف الثابت ، ومعيار الذهب ومؤسسة تعويم أسعار الصرف في أعقاب اتفاق سميثونيان في عام 1971 ، معظم العملات في مختلف أنحاء العالم قد تم ربط لم يعد مقابل دولار الولايات المتحدة. ومع ذلك ، مثل الولايات المتحدة لا تزال القوة العظمى في العالم الاقتصادي البارز ، واصلت معظم المعاملات الدولية تتم بالدولار مع الولايات المتحدة ، وأنها ظلت عملة عالمية بحكم الأمر الواقع.

وقد سبقت مباشرة الحرب العراقية صدام حسين في محاولة لكسر هذا الاتفاق من خلال تقديم النفط الى دول اخرى في مقابل عملتهم في خضم الحظر النفطي للامم المتحدة ، وبمساعدة من الفساد في برنامج النفط مقابل الغذاء. رغم ما كان اعترف علنا ​​، لم يحرز أي Irag حركات معادية بشأن برنامجهم للأسلحة البيولوجية / الكيميائية ، والتي كانت جارية منذ عقود ، وليس لديها علاقات Irag لأحداث 11 سبتمبر 2001. وكان الشيء الوحيد الذي فعلته Irag أن تصبح هدفا لتقديم العرض إلى فك الارتباط نفطهم من الدولار الامريكي.

بعد ذلك بوقت قصير ، أعلن محمود أحمدي نجاد ، وهو ما يمثل ايران والنفط ستكون متاحة لليورو بدلا من الدولار فقط. بدأت طبول الحرب لضرب مرة أخرى ، وهذه المرة بدعوى ان ايران تقوم بتطوير أسلحة نووية التكنولوجيا ، وبطبيعة الحال باستخدام تورط اسرائيلي لاثارة التعاطف بين اسرائيل وسكانا ودية في معظمها.

في وقت سابق ، كانت جمهورية إيران الإسلامية أعلن أن اليورو سيحل محل الدولار في التعاملات النفطية في البلاد. ودعت ايران لاعضاء اوبك للتخلي عن الدولار تغرق في صالح اليورو أكثر مصداقية.


وثمة خطة احتياطية بالفعل في الأشغال. لإقناع الناس بأن هذا الكوكب كان في خطر وخيمة وثاني أكسيد الكربون الغاز حميدة كان اللوم ، وضعت خطوة في العمل على ربط العملة ليس لإنتاج النفط ، ولكن لاستخدام النفط. منذ ربما يمكن أن تحرق أي الهيدروكربونية في بيئة الأوكسجين دون إنتاج غاز ثاني أكسيد الكربون ، وكان هذا حلا مثاليا. اجتمع هو مع المقاومة ولكن ، كما عدد قليل من البلدان كانت قادرة على التنفيذ الفعال للاحتيال الائتمان الكربون الذي كان في قلب هذه الخطة.

كثيرا عن خطة بديلة ولكن مهلا ، هناك خطة جيم حتى الآن هو أن تنفذ.

معظم احتياطيات النفط في العالم غير مستغلة كذب ، وكثير منهم في دول العالم الثالث الفقيرة ، حيث يمكن شراء النفوذ السياسي وبيعها (تماما كما كان لمنطقة الشرق الأوسط منذ عقود عديدة). ماذا سيحدث اذا كانت ايران لا أكثر ، جنبا إلى جنب مع حكام غير المتعاونة قلة مختارة؟ ماذا سيكون عليه عواقب فقدان 5 ٪ من إمدادات النفط في العالم؟ الخراب... وأسعار المنتجات النفطية الى مستويات قياسية ، ورمي في الاقتصادات في أنحاء العالم في حالة من الفوضى المطلقة في وقت غير مناسب جدا. ولكن على الجانب الأعلى ، ويمكن أيضا إذا كان بعض المنتقدين أن القضاء في بلدان أخرى ، هو أن الدولار قد يبقى العملة الدولية واقتصاد الولايات المتحدة يمكن أن يسير في الاتجاه الصحيح على طباعة الورق واصفا اياه بانه قيمة.

فكيف للتعويض عن الجانب السلبي للخسارة 5 ٪ من إمدادات النفط؟ سهل : تطوير احتياطيات جديدة.

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قبل يومين أذن الرئيس أوباما إلى أوغندا نشر ما يقرب من 100 من القوات القتالية الامريكية المجهزة لمساعدة قوى اقليمية "إزالة من ساحة المعركة" -- التقاط المعنى أو قتل -- جيش الرب للمقاومة جوزيف كوني زعيم وكبار قادة جيش الرب للمقاومة.

سيتم نشر القوات بداية مع مجموعة صغيرة وتنمو على مدى الشهر المقبل إلى 100. وسوف يذهبون في نهاية المطاف إلى أوغندا وجنوب السودان وجمهورية افريقيا الوسطى وجمهورية الكونغو الديمقراطية ، وذلك بإذن من تلك البلدان.
المصدر : abcnews.go.com...

■ أوغندا لديها احتياطيات نفطية غير مستغلة ، وهو ما يكفي لجذب اهتمام الصين.


ومن المتوقع ■ جنوب السودان لاحتواء 80 ٪ من احتياطي النفط في السودان أكبر.


■ السيارة قد لا الاحتياطيات النفطية المؤكدة ، ولكن يقع بالقرب من جنوب السودان ، واكسون حفر بئر استكشافية في عام 1965 التي كانت تعتبر غير مجدية اقتصاديا نظرا للحاجة إلى خط أنابيب رئيسي... ليس لنقص النفط.


■ وقد أنتجت الكونغو تاريخيا النفط ، ولكن تراجع الانتاج من الآبار فقد تم مشكلة.
ذكرت جميع الدول لديها مؤشرات على الاحتياطيات النفطية المحتملة ، على غرار توقعات بأن شركات النفط في الولايات المتحدة كان عندما وافقت على حفر في المملكة العربية السعودية. وقد ثبت واحد ، وجنوب السودان ، والمحميات ذات طابع جوهري.

يتبع)

reply to post by TheRedneck


A most excellent post there bro, i particularly liked this bit.

"there is no need to drive..that is what the chauffeur does. The result is that there is a built-in, almost instinctive belief that others exist to serve you and for no other reason."

The chauffeur drives them to a destination, they wait for something, and because of their belief in absolute entitlement the thing they are waiting for passes them by because they have a message not to approach anybody with the information they have, it is only to be given if asked for.
How easy it is for your sense of entitlement to create a situation where something important eludes you, i believe this is the situation with some of the most powerful families of the world, their entitlement ensures that they do not know the whole story and never will because of the separation that belief ensures.

Gaddafi invested a Libyan sovereign fund of 1.2 billion with a "conservative investment" strategy with...........are you ready for this?

Goldman Sachs.............

GS then proceeded to lose 98 percent of the fund with high risk leveraged toxic strategies................

Gaddafi wasn't please............

GS sent folks to try to make good on the fund, offering stock in GS as compensation. Gaddafi‘s folks did not want such a risk and demanded their principle be restored.

Not long after this incident the riots begin and the US becomes involved through NATO in a military intervention.........in accord with our foreign policy Libya was then declared an "enemy" and under that designation all American debts (such as GS to Libya) are no longer liable.................

Goldman Sachs is now off the hook for the 1.2 liability as a result of that action.............(Google "GS and Libyan fund" and you will see for yourself...........and it’s reported by mainstream media too.)

BTW.............GS is the major corporate contributor to Obama's reelection........and I'm sure they will be doing the same for the Republican front runner too.............

Add this info to….. the Libyan threat to the US petro dollar hegemony as explained at the start of this thread……….and then connect the dots........

It ain't pretty...............

reply to post by TechniXcality

There will be no economic collapse of America, in the event of world war three! War is profitable, the economic collapse of America will not be seen in our life times, some wish it was, some secretly think it will happen but fear it. I however understand a few things.

1st. The foundations of America are far reaching, the individual freedoms, granted to the people out weigh our governments opportunity towards dictatorship. As long as there are differencing of opinions within the U.S.A (which America has openly welcomed since the beginning, immigration be a good example).

2nd. The U.S.A no longer operates on an industrialized level, we are specialist. Whether or not you think we are educated our college expectations and reputations far exceed that of any country. Since we are specialized we fix specialized problems, (such as logistics, computer engineering, investments, business management, the list could go on and on.) So because of this our technology's and technology specialist are being absorbed into the world, this is extremely political, and a political win for the U.S.A if you ask me.

3rd. Not everything is right on the home front no doubt, however if some country thinks it can attack us or have a military advantage, our government and the people have the power to give an unequivocal red, white, and blue middle finger to those who oppose us. Granted I have not covered all avenues of approach but, America falling cannot happen unless God himself dictates so. Period

Wow your smarter than Ron Paul, you should call him and up and tell him how wrong he is
and how he should listen to Rick Perry.

Did you line up for the Gardasil shot there in Dallas ???

This is a fine example of what one comedian has said, "ppl here in the US have TONS of
self esteem and self confidence and will tell ppl with decades of experience they are wrong
even though they have never worked a single day as an economist."

Wars are not free, take Iraq for example, and we are on the verge of hyperinflation.

We print money out of thin air backed by nothing, and other nations have stopped
buying the bonds.

In the past 25 years 21 instances of major inflation have taken nations to their knees,
it will be no different here. These were done on purpose and one of the ppl in the
operation came forward about it, John Perkins.

The planned implosion of the US is discussed by John Perkins who wrote confessions
of an economic hitman.



Listen to the real experts, not blind optimism that is just the "normalcy bias" in over drive.

Originally posted by LibertyCrazy
I have to say, if your conclusion is that we may soon experience the nuclear annialation of Iran and that is why the US is pulling its troops out of Iraq, then I am doubtful.

Even using high yield strategic nuclear weapons in this theater would not put US troops in Iraq at material risk as these troops would be positioned hundreds of miles upwind from Iranian targets.

And that being said isn't it much more probable that any nuclear weapons use would be lower yield tactical weapons, having no impact on US troops in Iraq, and in such a battlefield scenario, wouldn't having 50,000 US troops in theater prove invaluable.

And as far as Iranian nukes go, it seems like their program is no where near capable of delivering nukes against Israel, and they would be nuts to do so and most likely incapable of deploying nuclear weapons against US troops in Iraq.

Although I subscribe to much of what has been promoted here, something just isn't adding up.

Raduga of Russia sells long range cruise missiles to Iran.

Its not what Iran can make, it is what they can buy.

It would appear they can buy quite a bit.

KH-55 missile family

In another article elsewhere they mention the more modern variant can be a stealth cruise missile,
under the designation of KH-101 and its nuclear as the KH-102.

[url=http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/kh-101.htm[/url]

In the side bar it mentions its been exported to Iran and China and reverse engineered.

The Kh-101 is described as having an "aerial torpedo" configuration, but with swept wings and use of radar absorbing materials, conformal antennas, and other stealth technologies. The design features an INS guidance and satellite navigation receiver for midcourse guidance, with terminal attack using an image matching system. This high precision allows a conventional warhead, though the Kh-102 version has a nuclear warhead.

I don't fear Iranian engineers that much, but I do fear what they can buy and stick a nuke into.

Don't worry about what Iran's got or how quickly the U.S. could defeat Russia or the competence of Chinese soldiers etc.
Worry about a joint effort.
Thinly spread your U.S. forces across the globe and you're weak.
China, a formidable foe, backed by Russia, Iran, Syria, North korea, Palestine, Venezuela, Cuba and whoever else will side with Russia or China (they have a great deal of influence in anti-U.S. countries).
Now THAT, is a powerful military alliance.

European armies are basically ineffective because of their weak left-wing leadership (gone are the Alexanders, Winston Churchills, Napolean Bonaparts, Adolf Hitlers and Julius Ceasers) and will be no match for pitched battle against the war hungry soldiers of Persia. I'm sure the eastern Islamic nations can be influenced to combat Europeans.
Russia's military still holds the values it did in the Great Patriotic War and it also still has it's powerful leaders who conjure up visions of Ivan the Terrible, Joseph Stalin and Vladimir Lenin. And Vladimer Putin takes no sh*t. Unlike Sarkozy, Cameron, Merkel etc.
Austrailia's military is ineffective because of it's size. It's small and cannot field the numbers it once could in the World Wars.
Chinese leaders are strong willed and they know the strength of their massive armies, and I bet are itching to test them. They're sick of being kept down by world powers for the last five hundred years. The Great Red Dragon is about to rise.
There's also no doubting the resolve of Islamic leaders. They have absolute faith in their armies and absolute faith they can defeat any opponent. Faith is a powerful thing. Persian warriors have been feared on the battlefield for centuries for a reason. They are formidable opponents and defended their territory from vastly more powerful armies many times.
What do you think of the resolve in European leaders? Let alone their countrymen. Too long have they not seen war that it will shock the populace, especially when the war is taking tens of thousands of lives every day like in the 40's.
Israel is the only effective ally of the U.S. and will require it's forces to remain at home. Israel can't send forces to Carolina to defend against Russian invasion because Iran and Syria will be knocking on the door.
U.S. forces will be there to defend Israel, and maybe in Africa to combat Chinese troops, maybe also in Europe to assist in the war effort there. How thinly can they spread. Trying to defend the world may cost them at home.

A full scale attack, worldwide, by axis countries, would have westernised civilisation on the edge of it's seat.

Now, you can say 'we'd win because of this" and "we'd win because of that", but the FACT of the matter is: a WAR is a WAR. And I believe, there is going to be a war.
The last big war took a concerted effort, of all the countries on Earth, for SEVEN YEARS, to defeat the aggressing countries. Sixty million people were killed.

Sixty million.

How long will this future war last? Your kids may have to endure suffering. How many people will this future war kill?

When was the last time you were surrounded by war?
If you're younger than seventy, and not from Africa or the Mid-East, chances are you've never seen war.

It's not like the movies. It's not a game. It's not just some thing to discuss the semantics of on an internet chat site.
It's real. It's not fun. It's not glorious. It's not Rambo or Jimmi Hendrix music.
It's loud, it's scary, it hurts and it takes people you love and it kills them.

Don't worry about who's capable of what, only worry that it's going to be a large war, a World War, and it's going to directly affect you and yours.

Originally posted by manontrial
European armies are basically ineffective because of their weak left-wing leadership (gone are the Alexanders, Winston Churchills, Napolean Bonaparts, Adolf Hitlers and Julius Ceasers) and will be no match for pitched battle against the war hungry soldiers of Persia. I'm sure the eastern Islamic nations can be influenced to combat Europeans.
Russia's military still holds the values it did in the Great Patriotic War and it also still has it's powerful leaders who conjure up visions of Ivan the Terrible, Joseph Stalin and Vladimir Lenin. And Vladimer Putin takes no sh*t. Unlike Sarkozy, Cameron, Merkel etc.
Austrailia's military is ineffective because of it's size. It's small and cannot field the numbers it once could in the World Wars.
Chinese leaders are strong willed and they know the strength of their massive armies, and I bet are itching to test them. They're sick of being kept down by world powers for the last five hundred years. The Great Red Dragon is about to rise.

All of which, is totally out of any contrast because it's based on continuous propaganda by Allied powers through schooling of over 70 years.

It's something like this: Adolf Hitler is Evil, Stalin is Evil ... George Bush is good, patriotic and Christian. Chinese are a big big army, that you need to fear ... one day, they'll come and say "boo".

It's the same rhetoric that was echoed throughout the Cold war ... and of course, has absolutely no merit, what so ever.

Europe is weak, because of it's indecisive and "trecherous" leaders ... well, it's a bit harsh, I'd rather take the notion that they're stupid. They buy into the propaganda, just like the above poster does.

During WWII, there were winners and losers ... The US, Britain, France, Russia and China were the winners. They also happen to be the countries that hold the nuclear arsenal. And I suggest all of you weigh the possibility that these countries aren't enemies ... but allies.

Here is why, IFF China wanted to wage war on the US, it would have done so while the US was warring in Iraq and Afghanistan. It would have "goated" the US, into warring on N-Korea .... having the US army well spread out, and ... losing. Instead of this, China is literally growing as the industrial giant that is producing everything, literally EVERYTHING for the US. From Diapers, to Military arsenal. Of course, the "official" story is they stole all the drawings ... but ... really ... I mean ... yeah, right.

As stated earlier, by many and by myself, this "crisis" is because Europe is trying to "break free". By means of gaining economic freedom. Europe is not willing to go to the battlefield, and I am here talking about France, Germany, Austria and other central European countries. The core Euro zone ... they aren't going to go to war, because a war wouldn't be backed up by its citizens ... it can't go to war. But an economic independancy of Europe is seen as a threat ... by all nations of the World. Because historically, Europe is the place where all major evolutions has taken place ...

As I said earlier, the Chinese are inheritally capitalistic, not socialistic. Any man who has ever ventured to China, knows. Some rednecks that always stay in their own backyard, and see the world through MSM and don't investigate things, most certainly believe the MSM. The Chinese are making big bucks from being the only real industrial nation, right now. That is the doin gof the US, that transferred most of it's "production" from Japan to China, after 1986, when the US and Japan had their fallout, because of the trade balance between the two.

Russia, well that is a wild card, I know. They are very secretive ... so maybe they have something up their sleaves. But the fact, that none of these nations acted during the Iraq or Afghanistan crisis, suggests they won't. And the fact, that the US is doing in Afghanistan, what the soviet union was trying to do for more than a decade ... suggest that these two parties aren't the enemies we're led to believe.

I suggest these "super" powers, are playing "good cop, bad cop", but that ultimately they've already decided to split the world between them.

There is not going to be a war ... not yet anyway.

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It's not like the movies. It's not a game. It's not just some thing to discuss the semantics of on an internet chat site.
It's real. It's not fun. It's not glorious. It's not Rambo or Jimmi Hendrix music.
It's loud, it's scary, it hurts and it takes people you love and it kills them.

If anything in this thread deserves a star that does. Please, read it again, and again, and again.

We as a society have become accustomed to what I call 'mini-wars': barely more than police actions against overwhelmed opponents. We watch the reports on TV and cheer for our boys like it were a football game... but it's no game.

One thing I remember from watching the coverage of 9-11 was the way New York was turned from a civilized city of commerce into a mass of people trying to survive... running from falling debris, hiding from any future attacks, crying for their loved ones... all in the blink of an eye. Now imagine that same scenario, but covering 1000 times the area. There is nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. The enemy doesn't want to negotiate or play by the 'rules'... they want to kill you. Period. It does not matter if you have a reason to live, or if you pose them no harm. They have but one job: to kill you.

And we have but one job: to kill them.

That is war. There are no winners, no real heroes until all is over with. There is no guarantee that the 'good guys' will win and save us all. There is nothing but death, pain, suffering, hunger, thirst, and loss.

The combatants live with the knowledge that at any moment their lives may end. At any time, the lives of their friends and comrades in arms may end. And there will be no happy endings if that happens, no judges in long robes making things right, no police to step in and protect you. There will only be silence if lucky, screams of agony if not.

Yeah, please, anyone who thinks a war is winnable, please read that again.

TheRedneck

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by CaDreamer
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antisemitism? really? from a Jew? (yes i am racially "Jewish" The Rothschilds named themselves..didnt know they where Jewish as i did no research into their religion...please tell me where in my post did i mention anything even remotely antisemitic...

also if i am wrong please present evidence that proves it unless of course your point here is to derail the thread into a argument over Antisemitism

edit on 25-10-2011 by CaDreamer because: (no reason given)

No. As i stated in my last post, i may have overreacted when i heard the name Rothchild being blamed for our woes. I have seen thread after thread derailed by the simple mention of their name, and it quickly becomes a "zionist" bashing thread.

i understand.. thank you for the explanation. and to me no it isnt about the "Jews" that fact that some may be actually Jewish has no bearing on the matter to me.

Good job redneck.. you would be surprised, well maybe not, how many sophisticated educated people cant see what is really going on. They will just keep watching msnbc and fox and be told what they believe. Keep up the good work.

Any foreign army that step on other country deserve a bullet except as UN peacekeeper[fullstop]

Apart from border dispute and UN peacekeeping, no other country army can be on other country, even its invited [fullstop]

I will prepare a bullet for any other country army thats on my country even though I dont own a gun [fullstop]

All above statements are true [fullstop]

If USA take back all the operatives, suddenly USA and the world is at peace.
If WW3 boot up, its USA turn to be the evil one (consider reread the rules above).
No winner in war ? actually there is, - the one who did not take part in the war.

I would like to see a war, because I already know who will win the war and who will suffer.
Its nice to see the bully get pounded because no one will help.

If you hate me because saying this, then, change the government and pullback the clueless younglings.

Activities:
Send $500 to each of them with simple words -
"Get back home, here is the ticket money, die for your country instead die for him, we dont want to miss you (sign Mom)". Simple isnt it ?

Being in the military - not worth the paycheck.