New WTC 3d collapse model

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

People are saying the the floors outside the core are being sheared off

Yes.

Well, since the roof, ext columns, etc all fell as a unit, it can be reasonably assumed that it all came down together.

You have a contradiction there. If everything came down together then the core above the impact zone came down with the floors still attached in which case the core would hit the stationary core below and there would not be 15 floors shearing off floors below.

The core to core impact would have to be analyzed.

psik

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

People are saying the the floors outside the core are being sheared off

Yes.

Well, since the roof, ext columns, etc all fell as a unit, it can be reasonably assumed that it all came down together.

You have a contradiction there. If everything came down together then the core above the impact zone came down with the floors still attached in which case the core would hit the stationary core below and there would not be 15 floors shearing off floors below.

The core to core impact would have to be analyzed.

psik

What if the core from above moved into the path of the floor truss system instead? It's possible, considering the strength of the core construction.

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

You have a contradiction there. If everything came down together then the core above the impact zone came down with the floors still attached

yes.

in which case the core would hit the stationary core below

Only in Tony Szamboti's dream world/LaLa Land will you find anyone making the claim that the columns would directly impact those below.

It's insanity to suggest that in real life they would align perfectly after that drop.

and there would not be 15 floors shearing off floors below.

There were 15 floors, and 15 floors worth of core columns, and all the equipment, etc available to shear off the floors.

The core to core impact would have to be analyzed.

psik

You mean like that lunatic Szamboti?

He makes that claim.

And has gotten laughed off every forum he goes to......

You know how they used to say if you threw a penny off the Empire State building it would go right through your head and out your ass? Maybe not but I do, my point is imagine what a two ton steel column would do to you or a piece of concrete or marble bathroom flooring or a computer monitor or a desk or whatever else was in that building that was not a five ton steel column. The falling top of this building turned into a friggn massive chainsaw chewing, chopping, dicing, slicing, hacking, pounding, you get the picture right? Too many people wrongly think of this as two separate solid smooth objects, one falling a couple stories on top of the other perfectly flat, level, plumb, evenly across the other with all the supports lining up perfectly to resist the kinetic energy of the other, therefore the collapse needed additional explosives to remove more of the core columns so the upper building would fall at free fall speed.

My theory of how it fell goes more along the lines of what is shown in this video with two exceptions. One- the outer skin peeled away more like a banana skin in large sections and two- some of the core columns were still standing after the initial mass fell down and destroyed the structure around them. Something to keep in mind is that if there are core columns still standing after the initial collapse: one-they were not cut in half with explosives and two- nothing substantial hit them or crushed them. How is that possible if a 15 story solid mass landed on them? Wouldn't they be crushed? But if the collapse happened more like the OP's video it would be possible.

I made this video for Anok to exemplify my point about the standing core columns

Originally posted by Varemia

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

People are saying the the floors outside the core are being sheared off

Yes.

Well, since the roof, ext columns, etc all fell as a unit, it can be reasonably assumed that it all came down together.

You have a contradiction there. If everything came down together then the core above the impact zone came down with the floors still attached in which case the core would hit the stationary core below and there would not be 15 floors shearing off floors below.

The core to core impact would have to be analyzed.

psik

What if the core from above moved into the path of the floor truss system instead? It's possible, considering the strength of the core construction.

What if the core columns that were undoubtedly cut in half by the planes and now suspended in mid-air started falling first? They could've initiated parts of the lower floors to fail weakening more core columns allowing for the floors to buckle pulling in the sides dropping the outer skin and rest of the upper section down inside more or less the lower section peeling the skin away popping more floors all within a few seconds. I think our government is evil in many ways but I don't think these buildings needed any more help in self destructing after being damaged by the plane impacts and fires.

Originally posted by Varemia

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

People are saying the the floors outside the core are being sheared off

Yes.

Well, since the roof, ext columns, etc all fell as a unit, it can be reasonably assumed that it all came down together.

You have a contradiction there. If everything came down together then the core above the impact zone came down with the floors still attached in which case the core would hit the stationary core below and there would not be 15 floors shearing off floors below.

The core to core impact would have to be analyzed.

psik

What if the core from above moved into the path of the floor truss system instead? It's possible, considering the strength of the core construction.

The core was 85 feet by 135 feet. So it would have to move horizontally at least 42.5 feet for what you describe to occur. So how could that have happened without being caught on video. And where would that put the center of mass? If the center of mass moved that far why wouldn't it tilt and fall down the side.

Your attempt to come up with excuses is hilariously silly. Why don't you see the holes in your suggestions and not bother making them?

Is it that you don't care as long as you come up with something to defend your absurd conclusions?

psik

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Do the spaces between core columns matter at all? I imagine that to begin impacting horizontal structures, the core would not necessarily have to travel completely onto the trusses.

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by Varemia

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

People are saying the the floors outside the core are being sheared off

Yes.

Well, since the roof, ext columns, etc all fell as a unit, it can be reasonably assumed that it all came down together.

You have a contradiction there. If everything came down together then the core above the impact zone came down with the floors still attached in which case the core would hit the stationary core below and there would not be 15 floors shearing off floors below.

The core to core impact would have to be analyzed.

psik

What if the core from above moved into the path of the floor truss system instead? It's possible, considering the strength of the core construction.

The core was 85 feet by 135 feet. So it would have to move horizontally at least 42.5 feet for what you describe to occur. So how could that have happened without being caught on video. And where would that put the center of mass? If the center of mass moved that far why wouldn't it tilt and fall down the side.

Your attempt to come up with excuses is hilariously silly. Why don't you see the holes in your suggestions and not bother making them?

Is it that you don't care as long as you come up with something to defend your absurd conclusions?

psik

The core would only have to move a couple inches off center and at that point it would be out of alignment with everything below it and at that point all bets are off as far as what "should" happen. The core was not a solid piece of concrete and steel.

Originally posted by bottleslingguy

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by Varemia

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

People are saying the the floors outside the core are being sheared off

Yes.

Well, since the roof, ext columns, etc all fell as a unit, it can be reasonably assumed that it all came down together.

You have a contradiction there. If everything came down together then the core above the impact zone came down with the floors still attached in which case the core would hit the stationary core below and there would not be 15 floors shearing off floors below.

The core to core impact would have to be analyzed.

psik

What if the core from above moved into the path of the floor truss system instead? It's possible, considering the strength of the core construction.

The core was 85 feet by 135 feet. So it would have to move horizontally at least 42.5 feet for what you describe to occur. So how could that have happened without being caught on video. And where would that put the center of mass? If the center of mass moved that far why wouldn't it tilt and fall down the side.

Your attempt to come up with excuses is hilariously silly. Why don't you see the holes in your suggestions and not bother making them?

Is it that you don't care as long as you come up with something to defend your absurd conclusions?

psik

The core would only have to move a couple inches off center and at that point it would be out of alignment with everything below it and at that point all bets are off as far as what "should" happen. The core was not a solid piece of concrete and steel.

WHAT?

Moving a few inches might take the columns near the top out of alignment and cause the outer edge of the core to hit truss seats on one side but the horizontal beams inside the upper and lower parts of the core would still impact each other so all of the weight of the core would not be coming down on the trusses.

psik

Here is a video I made. Check out the forces being exerted while the top of the building tilts over and smashed through the floors.

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by bottleslingguy

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by Varemia

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Trippy.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by bottleslingguy

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by Varemia

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Trippy.



Yes you are.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Here just made a video using a simulator. I debunked all the debunkers and the official story in ten minutes.

You're welcome.

not even close to the structural design. apples and oranges

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horse#. the upper part of the south tower, where is it?

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

You have a contradiction there. If everything came down together then the core above the impact zone came down with the floors still attached

yes.

in which case the core would hit the stationary core below

Only in Tony Szamboti's dream world/LaLa Land will you find anyone making the claim that the columns would directly impact those below.

It's insanity to suggest that in real life they would align perfectly after that drop.

and there would not be 15 floors shearing off floors below.

There were 15 floors, and 15 floors worth of core columns, and all the equipment, etc available to shear off the floors.

The core to core impact would have to be analyzed.

psik

You mean like that lunatic Szamboti?

He makes that claim.

And has gotten laughed off every forum he goes to......

How could the top of the north tower come straight down and the core not hit the core?

How does pointing out the obvious make Samboti a lunatic?

psik

Originally posted by psikeyhackr
How could the top of the north tower come straight down and the core not hit the core?

It didn't come straight down. Mystery solved...

Originally posted by Varemia

Originally posted by psikeyhackr
How could the top of the north tower come straight down and the core not hit the core?

It didn't come straight down. Mystery solved...

And how many feet are you saying the core of the north tower moved horizontally?

It would have to be more than 40 feet for the upper core to miss the lower core.

psik

Originally posted by Varemia

It didn't come straight down. Mystery solved...

LOL this is like kindergartener thinking.

Solve the problem by pretending it didn't do what it did.

Do you see any indication in the collapses that the core did anything but collapse straight down? Any evidence at all?

In fact the tops of both towers tilted before collapsing straight down. If they hadn't have collapsed straight down, those tops would have continued their angular momentum. They didn't.

Watch how much of the top section collapses then tilts before the bottom section even started collapsing. It is obvious the top and bottom section were two different events, neither caused the other...

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by Varemia

Originally posted by psikeyhackr
How could the top of the north tower come straight down and the core not hit the core?

It didn't come straight down. Mystery solved...

And how many feet are you saying the core of the north tower moved horizontally?

It would have to be more than 40 feet for the upper core to miss the lower core.

psik

Oh, I'm absolutely certain that some vertical columns impacted, and that many of the horizontal parts were impacted. Now, the cool thing is that horizontal supports aren't meant to support vertical weight. they are made only to keep the vertical supports from swaying and such. Baddaboom.