It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by anoncoholic
reply to post by pteridine
just becasue a passenger plane hits something doesn't mean it was piloted by an on-board pilot.
Someone said that is all bs and yet lets just let the evidence speak for itself. Was the plane shot down?
Norman Minetta (sp?) went on record first describing the Cheney incident and later recanted testimony isn't suspicious?
Never mind guys... nothing will change your mindset , not reasoning rationale or honor. There is a stronger force than truth in play here
Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
reply to post by anoncoholic
If you are sincerely interested in facts and not just trying to get a rise out of a stranger on the internet you may want to spend some time to superficially familiarize yourself with some of the principles at work.
Just because you dont understand does not neccisairly mean that nobody else does either.
Honest, you've been fooled by bad science in a slick production.
Watch closely....
edit on 20-10-2011 by Drunkenparrot because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by anoncoholic
contrary to what you might think you are not god and don't have all the answers. Posting animation is not proof of anything other than creativity. What would have been proof is the tower radar tapes yet they too were destroyed and once again everything is copacetic in the world of subterfuge.
Originally posted by anoncoholic
not one of these videos was a 747 with more weight to thrust ratio. The fact that planes glide for distance doesn't mean a 747 can and in fact like the shuttle it will continue to fall until it impacts the ground either with landing gear or nose gear. If a 747 could fly at ground level then all you need to do is open up thrust to max and it will fly from a standstill
Originally posted by dillweed
Dave, witnesses are meaningless in our discussion here. Where is the gd airplane?
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by anoncoholic
contrary to what you might think you are not god and don't have all the answers. Posting animation is not proof of anything other than creativity. What would have been proof is the tower radar tapes yet they too were destroyed and once again everything is copacetic in the world of subterfuge.
I am immune to bait and switch tactics. I was answering the question on why "we didn't see a plane in the last few frames" and I answered it. I never said I had all the answers. I only had the answers to the specific question being asked. The only subterfuge I'm seeing is here is from your getting an answer you didn't want to hear.
What you truthers really need to be asking is why you should be taking the inane claim of "no plane hit the Pentagon" seriously when everyone who was there specifically said it was a plane they saw? I don't need to tell you that claiming everyone is a secret gov't agent is getting old.
Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
reply to post by anoncoholic
First off, yes the forces are comparable. I chose the videos posted above because of the grassy substrate to address your concern regarding the jet blast tearing up the astro turf, I guess you missed that.
Second, what does a B-747 have to do with anything? We are discussing American Airlines Flight 77, a B-757-200.
Lastly....
Dave beat me too the draw with the Airbus, try this one...
Convinced yet?
edit on 20-10-2011 by Drunkenparrot because: (no reason given)
How about testimony of Cheney refusing to rescind the stand down orders that allowed an approaching plane to get closer, and closer, and closer, until it actually "supposedly" hit.
Many reports came out on 911 and if all are to be believed there were also helicopters hijacked that day.
Fly a C130 overhead (cover story of "oh look at the plane") where the f was the shoot-down order?
Originally posted by dillweed
reply to post by roboe
What film did you see that on?
Originally posted by anoncoholic
no, not at all. None of these vids you guys post is first floor altitude. In fact if memory serves the hole in the Pentagon is low enough to walk into and none of these show a plane low enough to impact at that level. Only a crash would be that low and yet according to you all it was flown in.
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by anoncoholic
Your posts have seemed to indicate that you really haven't done research, and do not know much about the topic, about aviation, about flying....and instead are just concocting ideas from what pops into your head, with irrelevant questions intended to make a false assertion that something *should* have been done but wasn't....when in fact, your ideas that pop aren't even feasible in the first place.
Also, not your fault, but your impressions have been polluted by the vast depth of garbage opinions, fake *facts* and assertions that infest the "conspiracy theory" websites.
Like:
How about testimony of Cheney refusing to rescind the stand down orders that allowed an approaching plane to get closer, and closer, and closer, until it actually "supposedly" hit.
There was no "stand down order". In fact, when you review all the testimony and think clearly about what was being related by Norman Mineta (and do some more digging) you learn that Cheney had given implicit orders, via channels in the Secret Service, to "protect the House at all costs". That refers to the White House of course.
It was technically outside his authority to authorize shoot-downs of civilian airliners, but he was the one in the Sit Room, so was on point to make decisions. The "order" that was still "standing" was that one. Fighters were on their way to take position over Washington, DC. They arrived too late to stop American 77.
Get your facts straight first at least....... then twist them to you liking
Many reports came out on 911 and if all are to be believed there were also helicopters hijacked that day.
Now you're just making it up.
Fly a C130 overhead (cover story of "oh look at the plane") where the f was the shoot-down order?
As I mentioned above, this is where you just ask a question that is moot, and irrelevant and based on ignorance of the topic.
Further research into the facts will show you that the C-130 that belonged to the Minnesota Air National Guard had no armaments.
Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
Originally posted by anoncoholic
no, not at all. None of these vids you guys post is first floor altitude. In fact if memory serves the hole in the Pentagon is low enough to walk into and none of these show a plane low enough to impact at that level. Only a crash would be that low and yet according to you all it was flown in.
Here is the HUD video from the IA 63 Pampa pass posted above at top.
You were saying?
None of these vids you guys post is first floor altitude. In fact if memory serves the hole in the Pentagon is low enough to walk into and none of these show a plane low enough to impact at that level. Only a crash would be that low and yet according to you all it was flown in.
Amazing capability coming from an inexperienced pilot with no flying time behind the stick of a plane that performed miraculously.
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by anoncoholic
Your posts have seemed to indicate that you really haven't done research, and do not know much about the topic, about aviation, about flying....and instead are just concocting ideas from what pops into your head, with irrelevant questions intended to make a false assertion that something *should* have been done but wasn't....when in fact, your ideas that pop aren't even feasible in the first place.
Also, not your fault, but your impressions have been polluted by the vast depth of garbage opinions, fake *facts* and assertions that infest the "conspiracy theory" websites.
Like:
How about testimony of Cheney refusing to rescind the stand down orders that allowed an approaching plane to get closer, and closer, and closer, until it actually "supposedly" hit.
There was no "stand down order". In fact, when you review all the testimony and think clearly about what was being related by Norman Mineta (and do some more digging) you learn that Cheney had given implicit orders, via channels in the Secret Service, to "protect the House at all costs". That refers to the White House of course.
It was technically outside his authority to authorize shoot-downs of civilian airliners, but he was the one in the Sit Room, so was on point to make decisions. The "order" that was still "standing" was that one. Fighters were on their way to take position over Washington, DC. They arrived too late to stop American 77.
Get your facts straight first at least....... then twist them to you liking
Many reports came out on 911 and if all are to be believed there were also helicopters hijacked that day.
Now you're just making it up.
Fly a C130 overhead (cover story of "oh look at the plane") where the f was the shoot-down order?
As I mentioned above, this is where you just ask a question that is moot, and irrelevant and based on ignorance of the topic.
Further research into the facts will show you that the C-130 that belonged to the Minnesota Air National Guard had no armaments.