One month in, protests yet to topple capitalism

reply to post by DragonTattooz


like i said, one flat tax across the board....
if there is corruption in making money, illegal gains, prove it and fight it, if not then theres really not much you can do, but to say they need to redistribute their money is communist

reply to post by HomerinNC


You know whose wealth we should take? The guys we bring to the Hague and get charged with financial terrorism for having ruined the world economy.

There's trillions of dollars there that could be put to good use and that money was actually stolen from you, over the last 50 years.

I don't believe in just taking people's wealth and resdistributing it, that's wrong and plain theft. But adjusting the system so that the people at the bottom have just as much of a chance to make it to the top is what needs to happen.

Ohh and again corporations need to be responsible for the decisions they make. The CEO & Board included. That would pretty much stop corporate greed overnight.

~Keeper

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

 

You seem to have mistaken my point by presenting a straw man argument. I don't ever recall talking or defending the Tea Party as some movement like OWS. I actually was super surprised when it was hijacked.

I'll be first person to denounce OWS if it ends up being hijacked, but I doubt it. The Tea Party didn't spark a world wide response, OWS did. There are stark differences between both movements in both demographic & the issues being presented.

Again, as stated time and time again, I reserve judgement for when all the facts are laid down. As it stands, I see no particular sect of society, be it liberal or otherwise, having a heavier hand in the OWS movement than any other particular sect..

~Keeper

Excuse me? how is my point a straw man argument? A straw man argument would mean that it was weak and had no validity , there is plenty of validity in my statement.....

The facts are that the sheeple involved with the OWS movement want you to believe only what they say and not whats actually going on......

Sorry not buying it..........the facts are becoming more and more clear every day...........im sorry YOU cant see the liberal sect having more influence but most other people can......

Infact most of the demands put forth are liberal ideology............the fact that they are protesting wallstreet instead of the government that gives them their handouts is proof of this.........

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


The fact that you don't understand that the same 300 people and 50 corporations represent more then 75% of all political contributions is astounding, and a testament to the power of their corporate owned propaganda.

Protest congress? Congress is the legislative arm of Wall Street. They are one in the same, and serve the same people -- the top 0.01%.

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

The facts are that the sheeple involved with the OWS movement want you to believe only what they say and not whats actually going on......

How do you expect to ever educate or make your point properly when you throw insults at those people? And where is your proof of these sheeple?

Sorry not buying it..........the facts are becoming more and more clear every day...........im sorry YOU cant see the liberal sect having more influence but most other people can......

What facts are you talking about is my question. Where is the proof that liberals have hijacked this movement. How is ending Corporate Greed and closing wealth gaps a "liberal" idea?

Infact most of the demands put forth are liberal ideology............the fact that they are protesting wallstreet instead of the government that gives them their handouts is proof of this.........

Well I mean that's just silly. We all know that the government are puppets of the corporations, can you say any differently? So why change the government when the problem lies elsewhere? The misinformation about this movement astounds me and I'm not even that greatly informed, yet this kind of rhetoric is used consistently by critics of the movement.

Can you show me how a bulk of these folks are liberal? Can you show me this "liberal" ideology that's being put forth. Please prove me wrong, I would love to learn something today.

~Keeper

reply to post by nh_ee


Why is it so hard for people to understand this? It's central to all of this. We TELL the world that we are a democratic republic be we are no such thing and haven't been for a long time. The politicians' singular repsonsibility from the outset was to protect our rights as citizens. The entire structure of our country was founded on that one premise. But politicians, as has been pointed out to those that can read, have systematically selling-out our rights by supporting legislation and policy that favors and advantages the few over the many --- the antithesis of what a democracy is supposed to stand for. Where we once fought against monopolies that threatened the financial stability of the marketplace and the best interests of the People, the government has since allowed certain privileged companies to grow so large (by devouring competition --- once considered a fundamantal requirement of capitalism) that they are now too-big-to-fail.

Politicians on both sides have systematically screwed us. They've sold us out. So, you boneheads that can't seem to grasp the concept: we are NOT a democracy NOR a republic any longer. We are am Oligarchy. The Pledge of Allegiance is a fraud. What people are starting to do is to try and open the eyes of the masses to this FACT. With luck, people will want back the country that they thought they had. If you are of a mind to support the Status Quo you are --- by definition --- anti-American. Becasue the Status Quo is NOT what America ws designed to be and mnost certainly not representative of the Constitution which is our LEGAL charter.

Only because the militia isn't at their throats where they should be. There's nothing wrong with corporations, corporations are great, corrupt government is the problem. The corrupt can't fix corruption, that's the peoples job. Either way, working gov't or broken, the free market will always exist as long as supply and demand exists. Capitalism will not fade away or cede to an inferior system.

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

 

The fact that you don't understand that the same 300 people and 50 corporations represent more then 75% of all political contributions is astounding, and a testament to the power of their corporate owned propaganda.

Protest congress? Congress is the legislative arm of Wall Street. They are one in the same, and serve the same people -- the top 0.01%.

edit on 17-10-2011 by 0zzymand0s because: (no reason given)

The fact that you dont understand that if the politicians werent corrupt then the money wouldnt MATTER astounds me..........

Uncorruptable people cannot be bought............ends the problem..........

The fact that you dont understand that its POLITICIANS that make the laws that allow them to get away with any of it astounds me.........

How do you expect to ever educate or make your point properly when you throw insults at those people? And where is your proof of these sheeple?

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Proof? how bout everyone that has jumped on board with this w out knowing ANYTHING or anyone behind it, and the fact tha tyou guys defend it tooth and nail despite the fact that people like Obama, Sorros, Van Jones and Sharpton are jumping on board?

What facts are you talking about is my question. Where is the proof that liberals have hijacked this movement. How is ending Corporate Greed and closing wealth gaps a "liberal" idea?

The above names dont scream liberal agenda to you? How bout your "closing wealth gaps" ahh........that IS TEXTBOOK liberal ideology , its called "redistribution of wealth"

Well I mean that's just silly. We all know that the government are puppets of the corporations, can you say any differently? So why change the government when the problem lies elsewhere? The misinformation about this movement astounds me and I'm not even that greatly informed, yet this kind of rhetoric is used consistently by critics of the movement.

Once again.........how can you people not see, that its the government that makes the laws, and regulations......
its the government that pulls the strings.......

If your gov leaders are uncorruptable , then no money or special interest is going to sway them.........

How is this so hard to understand.........

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask

Proof? how bout everyone that has jumped on board with this w out knowing ANYTHING or anyone behind it, and the fact tha tyou guys defend it tooth and nail despite the fact that people like Obama, Sorros, Van Jones and Sharpton are jumping on board?

That would be an attempt by the establishment to hijack a movement. Just because somebody throws their support behing something, doesn't mean to own it. Obama sides with OWS cause it's an election year and it's good politics, not because he actually supports them.

Besides, If you mean to say that all the countries having OWS protests have all been hijacked by liberals, then well that's just silly.

The above names dont scream liberal agenda to you? How bout your "closing wealth gaps" ahh........that IS TEXTBOOK liberal ideology , its called "redistribution of wealth"

No...closing wealth gaps has NOTHING to do with taking people's money and giving it to other people. Closing a wealth gap means fixing the system, such as the tax code, to make it fairer. Raising minimum wage, increasing pell grants and the thousands of other things that can be done to prop up the middle class.

You don't have take anybody's money, you don't have to redistribute anything.

Once again.........how can you people not see, that its the government that makes the laws, and regulations......
its the government that pulls the strings.......

If your gov leaders are uncorruptable , then no money or special interest is going to sway them.........

How is this so hard to understand.........

Yeah, cause trying to elect people who aren't crooks has gotten us pretty far eh? Congress does NOT MAKE LAWS.

Lobyists do.

Paychecks do.

Don't be confused. Politicians will NEVER be uncorruptable. And before you say it, Ron Paul is just one guy. Yes he's the ideal candidate, but just him at the helm without some honest folk behind him? Biggest lame duck presidency ever.

There is a problem in the world today. It's cause by Corporations, not governments. Fixing the government is like applying a band aid to a broken leg, it's only temporary and corruption will spring back up eventually.

~Keeper

Originally posted by a1red3
Only because the militia isn't at their throats where they should be. There's nothing wrong with corporations, corporations are great, corrupt government is the problem. The corrupt can't fix corruption, that's the peoples job. Either way, working gov't or broken, the free market will always exist as long as supply and demand exists. Capitalism will not fade away or cede to an inferior system.

edit on 17-10-2011 by a1red3 because: (no reason given)

What came first, the chicken or the egg? Of course corporations are just as bad as the politicians who serve them. How can you possibly say that corporations are good while government is corrupt? Or, are you saying that for a corporation to buy a politician is okeydokeyfine and does not constitute corruption? Because if that is your position, then I don't know what to say.

We do not have a system of capitalism. We have a system where the rich devour the poor. I'm not sure what it's called, but it's not fair trade and it's not capitalism. I guess oligarchy kinda fits.

reply to post by a1red3


Of course not: Capitalism IS the superior system.

What we have here in America is NOT capitalism: It is corporate mercantilism. The corporations write their own legislation to suppress competition.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask

If your gov leaders are uncorruptable , then no money or special interest is going to sway them.........

How is this so hard to understand.........

I think it is safe to say that we would all like to live in that world. The problem, again, is that you want to apply an intellectual discussion of ideals to a real-world situation.


Edit- And, to be clear- I am an idealist and a dreamer. Always have been, always will be.

A few points / observations;

Why would anyone even contemplate that the current capitalist / corporate system which is overseen, governed and protected by the banker elite could be changed in a month or two?

Why are so many people obsessed with labelling and pigeon holing anything and everything?
The OWS appears to be anti global corporatism - does that automatically mean that it is leftist and socialist?

Why are so many Americans unhealthily obsessed with Socialism and Communism and automatically assume that anything that is left of centre is so evil and wrong?

reply to post by HomerinNC


Don't forget the communist party of America loves these protest.

Hmm wonder why they did not join the TEA PARTY??
www.cpusa.org...
Solidarity with “Occupy Wall Street

Bunch of commies no good for nothings.

so, whats this group going to do with this $300,000 they allegedly raised? whos pocket is THAT going go into, or will it be distributed to the poorer?
Dont worry, I know the answer already

Americans of all classes ARE capitalism.

This protest will do nothing. ... mind you they could prove their convictions by ditching all electronics and luxuries and live lives like we used to... but that will never happen will it! hell, 80% of them don't even know how to cook let alone plant something in a garden!!!.

Originally posted by HomerinNC
Monday marks the one month anniversary of the redistributionist, anti-corporate Occupy Wall Street movement that has spread across the country.

Since the initial descent of disgruntled young people on New York’s Zuccotti Park, none of their speculated demands have been met and the protestors have no intention of ending their demonstrations anytime soon.

Story

I find this quote VERY disturbing:

The protests have garnered the support and approval of union leaders, liberal activists and Democratic leaders in the highest levels of government. One supporter is President Barack Obama

And all you OWSers say this isnt a left wing movement?

So what?!?!?!?! Is the intention of your comment to provoke people thinking of sympathising with OWS to drop their support by regurgitating the 1950's anti commie paranoia. Guess what , it is quite clear that there are millions of US citizens that have decided that the enemy is not the 1950's commies but the ever present, always been there since 1776, greedy capitalists.

We in the UK woke up 100 years ago.

You sound like a pro capitalist fearing for the loss of "Greedy Street".

reply to post by HomerinNC


Spoken like a true "emperor."

Grand Lord Emperor of the Universe

I wouldn't expect any of the elitist whether they fancy themselves Emperors, Kings, Lords or garden variety Magistrates..to appreciate this movement.

It is out to unseat you.

Among the 1% who control 35% of the countries wealth are some good people. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Warren Buffet etc... but there are far more despicable people and entities whose money came from ill gotten gains, illegal and unscrupulous practices and theft. There are a great number of this wealthiest 1% who still OWE money to the broke US government!!! TRILLIONS of dollars in low interest loans, tax exemptions, subsidies and other special ENTITLEMENTS.

If they paid it back our country wouldn't be in such debt and it is reasonable for the other 99% to ask them to pay up. If we owed the government money I know the IRS would be beating down the door and seizing whatever they could. Lets see a little fair play.

Originally posted by HomerinNC
so, whats this group going to do with this $300,000 they allegedly raised? whos pocket is THAT going go into, or will it be distributed to the poorer?
Dont worry, I know the answer already

I think some of it will be going toward food and porta potties.