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OWS and the Dream of a Violent Revolution

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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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While the OFFICIAL OWS movement preaches non-violence for the duration of these protests, it seems it's members are less inclined to agree.




With the majority of those voting for violence as a necessary component of protest it is of no surprise to me to find the following:

Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary

And of course comment like these:


I have no problems with a brick through Murdoch's window.
Or Chase, or BOA, or Wells Fargo...only to mention a few.
While they are at it, get Fox's windows as well.

If the people refuse to listen then a brick might just be what the doctor ordered. I wish there was another way, but certain people refuses to listen to the complaints.

I do not care whose windows gets broken, as long as the anger is properly placed and not damaging ma & pa's diner.


And of course this:



Long live Revolution! Long Live Socialism!

And yet many here will defend what is constantly being seen as just one nut. And yet we see this:



And more and more are crawling out of the woodwork.

Socialism requires violence in order for people to accept it.

Of course outlets like Russia Today and PressTV-an Iranian news agency owned by the Iranian government(Both nations VERY unfriendly to the US)

So of course RT applauds the Arab Spring...And what did the Arab countries get for their revolutionary effort?

This:


Of course protesters want what went down at Tahrir Square to happen in NY





Yes...Violence, revolution, destruction of the wealth held by ALL Americans, to be turned over to whom?

One of the protesters I showed you in video said we should take after the French revolution...Start cutting off heads and killing anyone with more than you have in your pockets...That lead to the Tyranny of Napoleon...But who the hell needs a history lesson right? I guess history is only for the "elites".




posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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I don't know, perhaps we will need a new Alexander the Great to rally the disjointed people of America and set mankind to a better plan. Things are really complicated, don't try to make out like they aren't, things are tough all over. There is NO simple answer!



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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If TPTB keep treading on people, then i could see it happening.
But it is not going to be cause by the people at OWS. Something exterior will probably happen.
And on the topic of socialism, yes there are people who are socialists there, but they are a minority in the group. And i dont think it matters. We all want change. Isms are a think of the past me thinks.

Good post regardless, you certainly did some research. But out of 20,000 or so people on a big day, a few socialists or communists is nothing to worry about.

And agreed, there is no simple answer to all these problems. What we can do tho, is start hammering at the foundation and hopefully start solving some of these issues.
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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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islam the religion of peace, if you know I guess killing Christians just for their
religion is peaceful...

The poll results OP has presented was the one
I really thought about myself..

There is deeper roots then grass growing this protest
here on wallstreet. People are being manipulated
and violence is what they deep down want to happen.

Go over to Egypt and Syria and be shot at for
protesting, and you will decide very carefully
on what you would protest and loose your
life over.

Would these OWP loose their life over what they protest?
Not one of them!!!



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem
islam the religion of peace, if you know I guess killing Christians just for their
religion is peaceful...

The poll results OP has presented was the one
I really thought about myself..

There is deeper roots then grass growing this protest
here on wallstreet. People are being manipulated
and violence is what they deep down want to happen.

Go over to Egypt and Syria and be shot at for
protesting, and you will decide very carefully
on what you would protest and loose your
life over.

Would these OWP loose their life over what they protest?
Not one of them!!!


The moment the first shot is fired, It wont just be OWS on the streets. It will be everyone. And they don't want that. OWS does not want violence, the people who visit this site are saying that it would be necessary, and you know some of the people who come to this site,



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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You people keep saying they are the minority...And yet they were the ones mostly responsible for the violence in places like Greece.

And they sure seem to be well clued in to the Occupy movement and what it is for.
socialistparty-usa.org...

www.cpusa.org...

And who is funding these people?

Labor unions like the SEIU who seem to have a love affair with SP-USA and CP USA for on demand protesters.


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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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OWS has been going on long enough now
for the cops to be getting a little fed up with
having to go to the cities and keep an eye
on the protestors, they rather be out in the
burbs eating donuts. They will soon be
provoking more often to get the protestors
to move along - that in turn will unfortunately
lead to violence. Just my 2 cents, I hope I
am wrong.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 08:49 PM
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Yes it's always the cops. It's never those enlightened and peaceful protesters.

NEVER.

Here they are counting down and then rushing police lines.

And then they called police brutality when it didn't go their way.




posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by AzureSky
 


You people keep saying they are the minority...And yet they were the ones mostly responsible for the violence in places like Greece.

And they sure seem to be well clued in to the Occupy movement and what it is for.
socialistparty-usa.org...

www.cpusa.org...

And who is funding these people?

Labor unions like the SEIU who seem to have a love affair with SP-USA and CP USA for on demand protesters.


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Its been proven already,vxn. Most are too busy to see the ledge,before the pummel over it.Most dont care . The evidence is out there. That is why Obama,hasnt felt the brunt of it.Economy in tatters,unemployment in double digits,and they are protesting Wall street? Preparing for yet,another war,countless of proxy wars,but protest Wall street? Yeah.............



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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OP you havwe made some very good points and really got me thinking. i want nothing more for this to be a positive liberating peacful movement.
but the hard socialist seem to want somthing completly difrent than me
i just want the 1% to relize that the avrage citzen is worth more than the way we are treated
i just want an end to the tyraney and police state in america and have true freedom
i think if anything at least american are more engaged now



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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That is perfectly fine. I understand the need to have everyone in the country pony up for their fair share.

I also agree that the violations of our fourth amendment rights is simply unacceptable. HOWEVER, these things are fixed through flattening out the tax code and electing Constitutionally minded people to office. ALL office, not just Federal office.

You're not going to get there by standing next to a bunch of people who want to destroy capitalism and bring about a socialist dictatorship.

Some are out there just to start fights with the cops only so they can put cameras on it and scream about how terrible the police are. Some are out there actually talking about positive things like the Glass Steagall act, but I'm afraid those are the few. Most of these protesters are anti-capitalists who want a revolution. They want violence and if they can drag you into it they will.

It's nothing short of every half-brained leftist idea melted into one big show of force all screaming for the end of America, all telling us that America is horrible and that they are in such dire straights that they simply can't afford the new Iphone 4.

Having been born in a third world country, with parents who've seen what real socialism and communism does, I cannot help but feel sorry for these people. That they've had it so good for so long, that the good they are getting isn't enough to keep them from being angry that they simply aren't getting more.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:37 PM
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Excellent OP that really puts it in a nutshell. The armchair rebels have this romantic notion of a revolution that will magically clean the system of all of its ills. For those encamped on the street, fatigue and clouded judgement are soon to take over in the days ahead. The lemmings then follow the loudest voice into a direct confrontation that leads into big trouble. They will get much more than they bargained for and if the police are smart, they will have just as many cameras rolling on their side as the protesters always have rolling.

Roseanne Barr calling for beheadings and MSNBC on air goons wishing for a Kent State moment don't help either. It just feeds the fantasy.

What will happen when a disappointing reality sinks in with these folks? What will happen in Oct. 2012 and the day after the election?
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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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Very good thread. This has brought together a lot of what I have been seeing and saying. For those who don't know that the October Revolution Van Jones called for was when the Bolsheviks overthrew the Russian government. Then lead to a civil war which then resulted in Stalins Reign of Terror. Any one thinking this group are peacful need to do some research. The problem makers are at this time directing this movement right over a cliff of no return if we can't get the people educated and quick. When I saw such people as Ivan Marovic appear for this it wasn't hard to see what was up. Ivan Marovic was a key organizer for the protest which lead to the Serbian War. It is reported that he is CIA sponsored and his handler is or was William Montgomery.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by projectvxn
 


Excellent OP that really puts it in a nutshell. The armchair rebels have this romantic notion of a revolution that will magically clean the system of all of its ills. For those encamped on the street, fatigue and clouded judgement are soon to take over in the days ahead. The lemmings then follow the loudest voice into a direct confrontation that leads into big trouble. They will get much more than they bargained for and if the police are smart, they will have just as many cameras rolling on their side as the protesters always have rolling.

Roseanne Barr calling for beheadings and MSNBC on air goons wishing for a Kent State moment don't help either. It just feeds the fantasy.

What will happen when a disappointing reality sinks in with these folks? What will happen in Oct. 2012 and the day after the election?
edit on 14-10-2011 by jibeho because: (no reason given)


You guys will elect another neocon and in eight years, blame his failings on the fact that he
is a "liberal" just like you did with Bush, who you elected two times, with votes, on purpose.


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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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OP

I think you are unfairly demonizing your fellow Americans, who have every right to be
angry at the system. There is a very small minority of actual communists in America
and I wonder why it is you feel the need to conflate the presence on communism here?

I have more than ten friends who have participated, none of them are communists.

I think the ultimate goal is to marginalize and demonize the movement by scaring the
hell out of conservatives, conservatives will then play the part of controlled opposition
and deal with the threat with the methods you are exemplifying.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:51 PM
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I thought Bush didn't technically win his second election. Don't you remember all of the controversy that Bush stole the election blah blah blah. Bringing up George is irrelevant here. We can't change history but we can correct the crash course that our nation is on. No Thanks to Clinton, Bush and Obama. They have all given gifts that keep giving to our nation.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by mastahunta
 


I thought Bush didn't technically win his second election. Don't you remember all of the controversy that Bush stole the election blah blah blah. Bringing up George is irrelevant here. We can't change history but we can correct the crash course that our nation is on. No Thanks to Clinton, Bush and Obama. They have all given gifts that keep giving to our nation.


IT's very relevant, you asked what is going to happen after the election.

You guys are going to fall in line behind any body who is not Obama sir, because to do
otherwise would threaten you with more Obama. You are so busy worrying about the
kids in the streets, that you fail to see the candidates you re running are virtually
the same as Obama, less the fact that he/she will probably be even more pro corporate
oligarch.

thats all, are you gonna own your vote? Or pass it all off on the liberals like W's policies
or the economic disaster?

The kids are the least of your worries, you have a candidate problem, if results
are your real goal.
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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 10:06 PM
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I have two videos I find interesting.

What was this woman doing?



And this one is a guy from the law firm who are protecting protesters. I guys they felt like running him over then parking with the tire on top of his leg. Can't run that way, well crawl off they broke his leg.




posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 10:08 PM
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And yet, all you hear out of them. Even their own videos, is "down with capitalism" and "we want revolution". I'm not blowing it up man. They are making their own bed.



posted on Oct, 15 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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And yet, all you hear out of them. Even their own videos, is "down with capitalism" and "we want revolution". I'm not blowing it up man. They are making their own bed.


Have you been to an Occupation yet???


Check out this members experience, we all know who he is, he is hardly a liberal.



www.abovetopsecret.com...



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