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Schartel writes that Hilsden cited a recent survey conducted in partnership with Israel’s Council on Foreign Relations, which found that 35 percent of Jerusalem’s Arab residents would prefer to remain Israeli citizens -- and even more would be willing to relocate if their neighborhoods became part of a Palestinian state.
“It’s a message that most of the world is not hearing,” says Hilsden. “And the fact that Palestinians themselves, for the most part, are not overwhelmingly supportive of Palestinian state should tell the rest of the world that maybe a Palestinian state is not the answer to this problem.”
Of the remaining Arab residents surveyed by the council, 30 percent wish to live under a Palestinian state, and 35 percent would not provide responses, Schartel reports.
But, according to Schartel, Hilsden, who has lived in Jerusalem since 1983, says it’s the last segment -- those who won’t respond -- that proves how complex this issue really is.
Schartel writes that Hilsden says Arab pastors who work closely within the Palestinian territories have found the majority of Arabs would rather be under Israeli rule, but many are afraid to publicly side with the Jewish nation.
Israel stands as our only beacon of hope in this region.
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by SuperiorEd
Israel stands as our only beacon of hope in this region.
I disagree with most of your post. But the snippet I quoted really stands out. Your statement couldn't be any more incorrect.
It's aggravating when comments like this are made with no context.
I provided a link and a story with quotes and data from a survey that is measurable.
Is the map below a lie?
superiored.blogspot.com...
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by SuperiorEd
More propaganda! Thanks for sharing. It's a blog Ed. Thanking for helping prove my point. Israeli apologists never have any factual evidence that holds any water. If I would have used a blog to support my argument you would have claimed that it is a biased source.
I know deep down you know that Israel is nothing close to a beacon of truth. If anything it is a beacon of lies, oppression, and terrorism. The Zionist regime in Israel are no better than the Nazis who they try so hard to distance themselves from at all costs. But in reality, they are the modern day Nazis.
I have been clear in all my threads to say that this issue has two sides.
I will always side with the nation that calls for two states and seeks to honor, preserve and defend its own people.
The nation that seeks to steal, kill and destroy cannot have my vote of confidence.
I will always side with the nation that calls for two states and seeks to honor, preserve and defend its own people. The nation that seeks to steal, kill and destroy cannot have my vote of confidence. Israel is on the right side and always has been if you know the correct history.
In his speech to Congress on 24 May 2011 Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu boasted that "Of the 300 million Arabs in the Middle East and North Africa, only Israel’s Arab citizens enjoy real democratic rights". This is, of course, a variation on the oft-cited claim that Israel is "the only democracy in the Middle East". Leaving aside places like Lebanon and now potentially Tunisia and Egypt, one can ask just how "real" are these democratic rights Netanyahu claims for Israel’s Arabs?
Here is some recent evidence that speaks to this question.
1. At the end of September 2011 the Israeli government announced "a plan to displace 30,000 native Bedouin Arabs [all of whom are Israeli citizens] ... from their homes [in the Negev]". This would constitute "the biggest dispossession plan of Palestinians issued by Israel since 1948. It would forcibly relocate about half of the Bedouin population from their existing villages, which are older than the State of Israel itself..."
Why should Israel do this to the Bedouin? Is it to facilitate their enjoyment of their "real democratic rights"? Well, not quite. According to the head of the Regional Council of Ramat Ha-Negev, a Zionist settlement in the region, the reason goes like this:
I want the Negev to be Jewish... Jewish settlement must grow, must continue... What do you mean by “they [the Bedouin] also have rights”! You know what – after all this, it is no longer possible to conceal the core problem, which is the struggle over the land. Who does this land belong to – us or them?
2. At the beginning of October 2011 leaders of the Jewish settler movement announced their intention "to turn Palestinian population centres into another Srebrenica". This was their reaction to the prospect of international recognition of a Palestinian state. Initiating Balkan-style killing fields would represent a marked escalation of ongoing lower level terror tactics which have seen the destruction of Palestinian crops, the harassment of Palestinian adults and children, the practice of arson against mosques and the occasional outright murder. While this threat was directed mainly at the Palestinians of the West Bank, the Israelis are bound by international law to see to their civil rights as well. And since Netanyahu’s vaunted claim implies Israel’s civilized, law-abiding status relative to the Arab states, that Palestinian population must be taken account of.
To show the extent of their respect for the rights of the Palestinians, settler rabbis have evoked the memory of their American-Israeli "saint and hero," Barach Goldstein, whose claim to lasting fame is the massacre of Muslims at prayer in Hebron back in 1994. And, there has been much recapitulating of the message delivered in October 2010 by "the spiritual leader of Shas, the powerful religious political party ... that the status of non-Jews is similar to that of beasts of burden..." And just how many "real democratic rights" do the animals of Israel have?
3. Just in case you think that these threats are hyperbole, take a look at reports and video on the recent pogrom-like violence near the settlement of Anatot. On 30 September 2011 Palestinians along with Israeli allies came to help a Palestinian farmer plant trees on land he owns near the settlement. They were attacked and beaten by settlers some of whom were armed policemen. The attackers have been accurately described as "nearly a lynch-mob". Then on 3 October 2011 a mosque in the upper Galilee village of Tuba-Zangariyye was set on fire by arsonists who left behind the message "Price Tag". This is a terrorist tactic used by Israeli right-wing extremists. Every time the Israeli government gets in the way of their racist and expansionist ambitions (which really is not often enough) they retaliate with acts of terror against Palestinians.
Woeful ignorance
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by SuperiorEd
A poll of Palestinians done by Israel...
I'm sure that's unbiased and accurate..
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by SuperiorEd
I will always side with the nation that calls for two states and seeks to honor, preserve and defend its own people. The nation that seeks to steal, kill and destroy cannot have my vote of confidence. Israel is on the right side and always has been if you know the correct history.
Be fair, you're killing me with laughter..
Israel was TOTALLY against a Palestine state just last week in the UN..
Do I need to give you links??
Originally posted by Truth4Thought
reply to post by SuperiorEd
I have been following your thread since yesterday. I had difficulty believing the claims in your OP. The results are questionable. I felt the need to respond after reading the recent replies.
You are making some outrageous claims and using blogs and biased websites to help back up your story.
This is not an honourable way to behave on an internet forum discussing such an important subject. Please forgive us for being against your statements, but please also expect to be called out on your incorrect statements. I have seen some members make some points to counter your arguments and all you do is sidestep around these posts.
Do you have any other sources for the poll in your OP? I would also like to hear a bit more how you came to the conclusion that Israel are in the right. You seem very biased, and refuse to acknowledge the actions of Israel that truly indicate it is not a real democracy.
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by SuperiorEd
Here is another article that would contradicts Palestinians wanting to become Israeli citizens.
Israel and those "real democratic rights"
In his speech to Congress on 24 May 2011 Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu boasted that "Of the 300 million Arabs in the Middle East and North Africa, only Israel’s Arab citizens enjoy real democratic rights". This is, of course, a variation on the oft-cited claim that Israel is "the only democracy in the Middle East". Leaving aside places like Lebanon and now potentially Tunisia and Egypt, one can ask just how "real" are these democratic rights Netanyahu claims for Israel’s Arabs?
Here is some recent evidence that speaks to this question.
1. At the end of September 2011 the Israeli government announced "a plan to displace 30,000 native Bedouin Arabs [all of whom are Israeli citizens] ... from their homes [in the Negev]". This would constitute "the biggest dispossession plan of Palestinians issued by Israel since 1948. It would forcibly relocate about half of the Bedouin population from their existing villages, which are older than the State of Israel itself..."
Why should Israel do this to the Bedouin? Is it to facilitate their enjoyment of their "real democratic rights"? Well, not quite. According to the head of the Regional Council of Ramat Ha-Negev, a Zionist settlement in the region, the reason goes like this:
I want the Negev to be Jewish... Jewish settlement must grow, must continue... What do you mean by “they [the Bedouin] also have rights”! You know what – after all this, it is no longer possible to conceal the core problem, which is the struggle over the land. Who does this land belong to – us or them?
2. At the beginning of October 2011 leaders of the Jewish settler movement announced their intention "to turn Palestinian population centres into another Srebrenica". This was their reaction to the prospect of international recognition of a Palestinian state. Initiating Balkan-style killing fields would represent a marked escalation of ongoing lower level terror tactics which have seen the destruction of Palestinian crops, the harassment of Palestinian adults and children, the practice of arson against mosques and the occasional outright murder. While this threat was directed mainly at the Palestinians of the West Bank, the Israelis are bound by international law to see to their civil rights as well. And since Netanyahu’s vaunted claim implies Israel’s civilized, law-abiding status relative to the Arab states, that Palestinian population must be taken account of.
To show the extent of their respect for the rights of the Palestinians, settler rabbis have evoked the memory of their American-Israeli "saint and hero," Barach Goldstein, whose claim to lasting fame is the massacre of Muslims at prayer in Hebron back in 1994. And, there has been much recapitulating of the message delivered in October 2010 by "the spiritual leader of Shas, the powerful religious political party ... that the status of non-Jews is similar to that of beasts of burden..." And just how many "real democratic rights" do the animals of Israel have?
3. Just in case you think that these threats are hyperbole, take a look at reports and video on the recent pogrom-like violence near the settlement of Anatot. On 30 September 2011 Palestinians along with Israeli allies came to help a Palestinian farmer plant trees on land he owns near the settlement. They were attacked and beaten by settlers some of whom were armed policemen. The attackers have been accurately described as "nearly a lynch-mob". Then on 3 October 2011 a mosque in the upper Galilee village of Tuba-Zangariyye was set on fire by arsonists who left behind the message "Price Tag". This is a terrorist tactic used by Israeli right-wing extremists. Every time the Israeli government gets in the way of their racist and expansionist ambitions (which really is not often enough) they retaliate with acts of terror against Palestinians.
Woeful ignorance
I will admit this source of mine is somewhat biased, but rightfully so. At least the logic the writer uses is truthful and applicable to reality.