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Originally posted by camaro68ss
Originally posted by schuyler
You ought to be in position by now. If you're asking the question, it's too late. Everyone who is concerned about this sort of thing ought already to be in a safe place, have a year's supply of food, a source of water, and be as self sufficient as possible, right now.
If you are wanting to buy a geiger counter after the nuke plant has blown, you're a day late and a dollar short. Good luck.
Do you really think we have reached that point in time to leave everthing behind? what were the signs for you?
Originally posted by schuyler
Originally posted by camaro68ss
Originally posted by schuyler
You ought to be in position by now. If you're asking the question, it's too late. Everyone who is concerned about this sort of thing ought already to be in a safe place, have a year's supply of food, a source of water, and be as self sufficient as possible, right now.
If you are wanting to buy a geiger counter after the nuke plant has blown, you're a day late and a dollar short. Good luck.
Do you really think we have reached that point in time to leave everthing behind? what were the signs for you?
I have a bit of a different take on this. My first answer was short, so I'll explain a little more fully. My fault. I don't really believe in a "Head for the hills!" kind of approach. If there is some sort of economic collapse I figure several things might happen.
1. There will be riots in the cities.
2. There will be disruption of the supply chain.
3. There MAY be disruption in utilities.
4. There may be a breakdown of social order generally.
There will not be millions dead and a comet won't hit us. It will simply be uncomfortable and we'll need to rely on ourselves. So the idea is to get yourself into a relatively safe place right now. Why wait? If I lived in a big city, I'd move to a more rural location so that when the urbanites riot, I won't be in their path.There will be lots more attractive targets closer to them. So the first order of business is to isolate yourself from that. You don't want te living in Watts or Chicago's south side.
The second issue is a disruption of the supply chain. You fix that by storing enough food and toilet paper to allow you to live for awhile. I figure a year's worth is a reasonable compromise. Unless you're an experienced farmer and rancher, you won't be able to hold out forever, but the supply chain won't be disrupted forever either. One way or another people are going to get themselves fed. The shock won't be there forever and barter will work after a fashion. Buy a few cases of beer for trade.
As for utilities, that means making sure you have a supply of fresh water and, if you're so inclined, have a way to generate your own power. If you can set yourself up for solar, great, but more likely you'll be looking for warmth. That means a wood stove with plenty of available wood. I live in a forested area, so that's pretty well solved. I'll never run out of wood. I have enough gas for the chainsaw to cut through several cords and failing that, an axe or two. I have two generators and several hundred gallons of diesel. That won't last forever, but it will maintain my ability to refrigerate, at the very least. If all that fails, I've got lanterns, candles, and a camping stove. I always have backups to backups.
Fourth, if there is a breakdown in social order, I have first of all placed myself in a somewhat protected area and also armed myself. I don't expect to have to actually haul out the assault rifles, but as a deterrent that is at least available to me and can be used for hunting food. I don't fancy myself a butcher, but in a pinch I could probably do it. I also have civilized neighbors. I know that is a relative term, but I think it pays to be the least civilized person around. My neighbors talk a lot, but they're scared of guns. That's to my advantage.
The key to the whole thing for me is getting into position beforehand so I don't feel compelled to leave or go anywhere. I know my own territory a lot better than I would know some new place where there would already be people not happy to see me arrive as a refugee. I'm much more vulnerable on the move compared to in my own place. This is all predicated on my belief that an economic depression doesn't mean everyone goes crazy or everyone dies. It means a time of disruption and hardship. You can really never do enough and I don't consider myself completely prepared for every eventuality. Even if I did everything perfectly, there's still a chance the satellite would fall on my head.
The basic philosophy is to buy your batteries before the lights go out. I figure if things get weird, I can handle it for awhile.
Originally posted by FissionSurplus
After our oldest child finished high school and a vocational school last year, we bugged out of the city, bought a simple brick house with a huge tornado shelter and acreage far away from any major metropolitan area (nearest large town is 90 miles away, the population of that town is a whopping 100,000), and started storing up food and water.
I think that people who are in the city should have a bug-out place already picked out. Maybe a friend or a relative who lives in the country and has agreed that you can go there if you bring some food, weapons, etc. Our particular community has quite a few families who are ready to start a self-sufficient community in case of disaster. There are lots of farms and livestock out here, we won't go hungry.
My husband and I are typically loners, but in case of societal breakdown, it pays to have a group of people with a common goal. One lone family may have trouble fending off intruders who want supplies, but a group of people defending each other would work much better. Perhaps those in cities and suburbs can connect with their neighbors who are like-minded for a "just-in-case" scenario. Talk to your neighbors, you may be surprised how many feel the same as you do!
Originally posted by hdutton
The term "bug out" would seem to imply there is some where to go.
I have spent the past seven years in preparation for the time when the SHTF, so I say let it come.
I have food stored up and room to grow my own.
I have alternate energy sources online and using them.
I have water stored and two wells from which to draw more when needed.
I hsve set up defensive positions for my protection.
So let it come!
Originally posted by gossipnancy
what is "bugging out"?