Buckle up for apocalypse Dow!

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
reply to post by Bluesma

 

Balance is the key as with all things. Unfortunately we have all been sold this fantasy that positive thinking will save us. Stand in front of a train and think it won't kill you all you want won't change the laws of physics. We are all screwed and the sooner people get that thought their heads the sooner we can fix this broken system.

I agree, balance is key. The grim reality is really not so nice a reality, so it is not really about the survival of the fittest but rather the wisest.

Do the needful, if you will...

Peace

reply to post by CantSay


China is not communist, and saying 'just dont pay' is silly, European and American markets are tied to the hip of China and other countries that mass produce goods and workers with extremely low wages. That computer you are using now would be infinitely more expensive if not for China(which is a super power as well you know) The luxury lifestyle we have is created by pushing down the majority of the worlds people to lift ourselves up, most things you buy day to day would not be affordable if not for countries like China. And assuming you went along with your idea, what would happen...would America simply cut itself off from the rest of the world?

Originally posted by Solomons
reply to post by CantSay

 

China is not communist, and saying 'just dont pay' is silly, European and American markets are tied to the hip of China and other countries that mass produce goods and workers with extremely low wages. That computer you are using now would be infinitely more expensive if not for China(which is a super power as well you know) The luxury lifestyle we have is created by pushing down the majority of the worlds people to lift ourselves up, most things you buy day to day would not be affordable if not for countries like China. And assuming you went along with your idea, what would happen...would America simply cut itself off from the rest of the world?

edit on 25-9-2011 by Solomons because: (no reason given)

Ahh! And here we get to the crux of the problem which is energy. Since the evolution of the single celled lifeforms in the primordial oceans life on this planet has been a struggle for energy. Be it in the form of food weapons luxury clothing whatever you can think of it all breaks down to how much energy is needed to create that thing.

Everything has a cost of energy associated with it, so in theory if humanity invested every spare kilojoule of energy into discovering ways to extract energy from the surrounding space then once free energy was attained or very efficient near no cost energy is attained all the problems of the world will be solved.

need to grow more food not a problem hydroponic 24 hour food factories lights dont cost a thing automated robotics factory runs itself we have the tech now to do this. ITS THE COST OF ENERGY THAT MAKES IT NOT COST EFFECTIVE.

same applies to any other form of industry, just make machines that do all the work. we can all sip margaritas and F#@k senoritas. BUT no there is that human ego we need to show our competition up dont we. we need the faster car the bigger house the more expensive TV. all these things would be meaningless in a cashless free energy society. How then pray tell would insecure humans prove their worth. And so the game goes on the the unending suffering of the human race.

We have so much potential as a species. United we have the potential to conquer the galaxy not just the solar system. We are the most adaptable species short of a virus or bacteria on the face of this planet. No other species can adapt to change as fast as we can. But we waste all this potential on dumb sh!t pissing contests.

I cant help feel we are stuck in a cycle of insanity that keeps repeating over and over again. Never learning from our mistakes of the past. What a waste.

a hope might still exist

perhaps the DOW will exhaust itself and become valueless...

but another Market place will have to be created so that the game can continue,
i would suggest that the FOREX and a Derivatives market would be the offering...

see, right now the FED & the FASB instructs the 'banks' to keep Two Sets of Books...

1: one which includes all the banks 'dark' Derivatives/Swaps/MBSs/ and other casino paper which is backed at way less than 1¢ on the dollar
2: another set of books which reflects the legitimate side of the 'commercial' liquidity of the 'bank'

these banks operate in a fraud-zone of being a hybid Investment-&-Commercial bank at the feet of the FED and the 'shadow government' cartel of various powerful megacorporations



so, yes the system is trying to self perpetuate ...by sluicing funds to cover the hidden debt the worlds finance wizards are creating (illegally) amongst themselves ...we the taxpayers will continue to pay monies and be stripped of our liberties - by forceably paying tribute into that system which attempts to fund the bankers needed collateral & reserve requirements needed to legally issue those naked Derivatives & other toxic paper...

the fed, the Treas, the USA financial cartel...keep paying one another fees & profits for all those taxable transactions...which is ultimately funded by the tax-payers who might get to hold some $15 Trillion
held in bad mortgages by our Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac


i hope i can squeeze by with my ira until 2014-16, right before the Treas/IRS seizes all the populations 401-k's
and other IRAs of individual health or retirement accounts...monitors & confiscates all PM resources/assets in the same timeframe..

.Dystopia is right around the corner friends

Jim Sinclair coined the popular phrase Management of Perception Economics back in 2009. A classic example of MOPE occured just 3 months ago when well founded fears of a 'double dip recession' were beginning to emerge, and MSM outlets, acting in concert, tried to sustain positive market sentiment by introducing the Orwellian term 'Soft Patch'. Remember that one ? Where'd it go ? Well you can bet your bippy that insiders were well aware of the negative market fundamentals long before then.

These coordinated media campaigns in the face of deteriorating economic fundamentals are designed fleece the unwashed masses by allowing time for smart money (bankers, hedge funds, the talking heads themselves) to exit positions at the expense of dumb money [retail investors].

And now with today's news courtesy of ZH, it appears the Fed's arsenal to manipulate public perceptions is expanding even faster than it's balance sheet.

Here Comes FIATtackWatch: Ben "Big Brother" Bernanke Goes Watergate, Prepares To Eavesdrop On Everything Mentioning The Fed

Two weeks ago, the media's heart went aflutter when it learned that the president had borrowed a page right out of ole' Joe McCarthy's communist witch hunt book with the launch of Attack Watch. The response by everyone, even fans of Obama, was immediate and brutal. Yet where Obama took about 24 hours to crash and burn, someone else has stepped in with a far stealthier method of ferreting out the traitors amongst us: none other than our old friends, the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States, which in a Request for Proposals filed to companies that are Fed vendors, is requesting the creation of a "Social Listening Platform" whose function is to "gather data from various social media outlets and news sources." It will "monitor billions of conversations and generate text analytics based on predefined criteria." The Fed's desired product should be able to "determine the sentiment [ED:LOL] of a speaker or writer with respect to some topic or document"... "The solution must be able to gather data from the primary social media platforms – Facebook, Twitter, Blogs, Forums and YouTube. It should also be able to aggregate data from various media outlets such as: CNN, WSJ, Factiva etc." Most importantly, the "Listening Platform" should be able to "Handle crisis situations, Continuously monitor conversations, and Identify and reach out to key bloggers and influencers." - Full Text

edit on 25-9-2011 by OBE1 because: (no reason given)

Anybody know why the heck futures are up a significant amount? Makes me wonder if we're going to back-test the 1160 area on the S&P.

I'm short the market through the VIX (TVIX), so that's why this matters so much to me.

Originally posted by mossme89
Anybody know why the heck futures are up a significant amount? Makes me wonder if we're going to back-test the 1160 area on the S&P.

Click the vid mossme89. With respect to a possible backtest, refer to the readers comments section.

As you know, futures are extremely liquid, and serve as an unreliable indicator this far out from market open imho.

GL

reply to post by OBE1


Thanks man, watching it now. Yeah, I'm just hoping for the VIX to move back to the 46-48 level by Mid-late October. If that happened, I would break even for the year, so I'm really hoping for that But thanks again!

Life would be a lot easier if your government released the new technology patents they have been sitting on for years,
Force them to do that at the ballet box.. You want someone who tells the truth no matter how embarsessing it gets..
One of your candidates shows great promise..
He would give it you straight..
Regards
Plazmuh

blah blah blah, all you guys are injecting so much unneeded detail into this situation.....who do you think china owes? have you ever really thought about that????? where did china get the money to loan us?????? what i'm trying to tell you is this, germany and all of those other countries that thought it would be a good idea, borrowed money from the federal reserve and loaned it to places like greece for a higher interest rate than what the fed is charging them......now, china is doing the same thing to us, they are borrowin the money from good ole federal reserve and buyin up our treasury bonds and they are buying up our land and such.......if we don't pay them back, then they'll be looked at by the feds, and the feds will want their money back, at that point, the feds will have to take it out of them via their land.......since they couldn't pay back the loans because we couldn't pay them back...it's that simple.....

Originally posted by starchild10

Originally posted by InnerPeace2012

We are not being our true natural selves, when we are forced to work to make ends meet...I'd rather take my kids and go fishing, or camping in woods and be at peace and harmony with nature, and that is being my natural true self.

I'm sure you would enjoy doing a good 8 hours daily on things that really matter to you than stuck doing a repetitive task. Taking a Leave is just a way to kill the stressful hours we do for a living.

So you would like then to sit on your backside while someone pops food in your mouth, makes a shelter for you, provides your clothes..... Here's a newsflash. The world does not owe anyone a living. Man has always had to work to support himself. Oh but maybe we can just magic it all out of thin air?

Bankers can, and you have just empowered them.

second line.

reply to post by TiM3LoRd


We are not headed for a double dip recession. You do know that the dow is just an index of a few companies and stock prices do not really have any real effect on anything? Prices go up and down and its all done by people gambling.

Originally posted by gorgi
reply to post by TiM3LoRd

 

We are not headed for a double dip recession. You do know that the dow is just an index of a few companies and stock prices do not really have any real effect on anything? Prices go up and down and its all done by people gambling.

Gorgi has returned!

reply to post by surrealist


I never really left.

Still dont really get the dooms day stuff though.

Originally posted by gorgi
reply to post by surrealist

 

I never really left.

Still dont really get the dooms day stuff though.

Gorgi please take a moment to look at, and consider, the title of the forum: 'Global Financial Meltdown'.

If I participate in a forum entitled Barbie Dolls Galore, it will probably be inundated with topics of discussion around Barbie Dolls. Barbie Dolls don't interest me, and I "still don' really get" the Barbie Doll stuff anyway. With this in mind, I would consider that perhaps, the Barbie Dolls Galore forum does not provide personally meaningful discussion or topics of interest to me, and to spare my wellbeing and clear the vexation and frustration at the endless ramblings of a subject incongenial to my own disposition, I would quietly and politely leave the forum. I would not see the point in wasting my personal valuable time and effort in mounting arguments against Barbie Dolls on a forum devoted to Barbie Dolls.

I hope you consider this and I hope it assists with your search for meaningful and fulfilling topics of discussion suitable to your own interests and views.

Kind regards
Surrealist

Originally posted by surrealist

Originally posted by gorgi
reply to post by surrealist

 

I never really left.

Still dont really get the dooms day stuff though.

Gorgi please take a moment to look at, and consider, the title of the forum: 'Global Financial Meltdown'.

If I participate in a forum entitled Barbie Dolls Galore, it will probably be inundated with topics of discussion around Barbie Dolls. Barbie Dolls don't interest me, and I "still don' really get" the Barbie Doll stuff anyway. With this in mind, I would consider that perhaps, the Barbie Dolls Galore forum does not provide personally meaningful discussion or topics of interest to me, and to spare my wellbeing and clear the vexation and frustration at the endless ramblings of a subject incongenial to my own disposition, I would quietly and politely leave the forum. I would not see the point in wasting my personal valuable time and effort in mounting arguments against Barbie Dolls on a forum devoted to Barbie Dolls.

I hope you consider this and I hope it assists with your search for meaningful and fulfilling topics of discussion suitable to your own interests and views.

Kind regards
Surrealist

edit on 26-9-2011 by surrealist because: Spelling errors

Yes I know the topic of this part of ATS and I am trying to tell you that it isnt going to happen. I dont see anything wrong with that. Just because you dont approve f views other than your own does not make them wrong.

I am trying to say that the financial meltdown isnt going nor will the dow be the reason if it does.

Originally posted by surrealist

Originally posted by gorgi
reply to post by surrealist

 

I never really left.

Still dont really get the dooms day stuff though.

Gorgi please take a moment to look at, and consider, the title of the forum: 'Global Financial Meltdown'.

If I participate in a forum entitled Barbie Dolls Galore, it will probably be inundated with topics of discussion around Barbie Dolls. Barbie Dolls don't interest me, and I "still don' really get" the Barbie Doll stuff anyway. With this in mind, I would consider that perhaps, the Barbie Dolls Galore forum does not provide personally meaningful discussion or topics of interest to me, and to spare my wellbeing and clear the vexation and frustration at the endless ramblings of a subject incongenial to my own disposition, I would quietly and politely leave the forum. I would not see the point in wasting my personal valuable time and effort in mounting arguments against Barbie Dolls on a forum devoted to Barbie Dolls.

I hope you consider this and I hope it assists with your search for meaningful and fulfilling topics of discussion suitable to your own interests and views.

Kind regards
Surrealist

edit on 26-9-2011 by surrealist because: Spelling errors

hahahah gold.


look to gorgi its not just the dow. its all the financial systems around the world that are screwed. i think if you cant see the obvious thats your problem. we are not talking about fuzzy pictures of ghost or blurred videos of UFO's.

The fact that a country that keeps printing money to get out of debt is as insane as an alcoholic drinking to get sober. the more they print the less value the money has the less value it has the harder to pay off the debt. tha value of that currency is based on an agreed value NOT a gold standard. That agreed value is based on the markets and how well they perform against other economies. Also oil is traded with the US dollar. So as commerce around the world slows so does everything connected to it.