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Originally posted by alfa1
Originally posted by DragonFire1024
CERN says a neutrino beam fired from a particle accelerator near Geneva to a lab 454 miles (730 kilometers) away in Italy traveled 60 nanoseconds faster than the speed of light.
So the way I calculate it, the time according to the speed of light to travel the distance of 730km (at 299,792 kilometers per second) is 2.4 milliseconds.
So the increase in speed is 0.0025 percent faster than it should have been.
I say this for no reason. I just wanted to calculate it for myself.
interesting stuff there...thanks for posting that. also, which field of physics does the study of FTL travel fall under exactly?
I'm not sure if you get this, but one of the things that made Einstein a hero is that he did go against Newton. So in a way you could say science eventually idolized the guy who upset the old, existing theory, though his ideas initially met with plenty of resistance.
Originally posted by MamaJ
Don't get me wrong....I LOVE physics and science but like you I like seeing them not get hung up on old theories and allow new theories some weight....even when it goes against Newton or Einstein and that is exactly what has taken place here.
I'm pretty convinced relativity is right, but GPS doesn't necessarily prove Einstein's version is more correct than Lorentz's version of relativity as this interesting paper mentions:
Originally posted by 547000
If relativity is wrong why does GPS work?
7. Does the behavior of GPS clocks confirm Einstein SR?
To answer this, we must make a distinction between Einstein SR and Lorentzian Relativity (LR). Both Lorentz in 1904 and Einstein in 1905 chose to adopt the principle of relativity discussed by Poincare in 1899, which apparently originated some years earlier in the 19th century. Lorentz also popularized the famous transformations that bear his name, later used by Einstein. However, Lorentz’s relativity theory assumed an aether, a preferred frame, and a universal time. Einstein did away with the need for these. But it is important to realize that none of the 11 independent experiments said to confirm the validity of SR experimentally distinguish it from LR -- at least not in Einstein's favor.
If there's a systematic error in the measurement you can make the measurement a million times and get the wrong answer a million times. That's most likely what has happened here.
Originally posted by Sunlionspirit
why don't they do the same experiment but in a loop from one place to the other up and down again a million times and then look after some difference in time ......
GPS accounts for relativistic clock drift. If relativity's description of time dilation was wrong, this clock correction would be wrong as well.