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(Howard) Dean: Employers will drop coverage under Obamacare

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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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Possibly two more broken promises from obama, this time about obamacare.

1 - if you like your current insurance you can keep it and
2 - It (obamacare) will not add one penny to the deficit.

Even former chair of the DNC now admits that at least 30% of small businesses will drop their own coverage plans for employees, which would force those employees into the government run health insurance exchanges.

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Former Democratic National Committee Chairman, and doctor, Howard Dean backed a McKinsey & Co. survey today that found that almost a third of private-sector employers will drop their employee health insurance coverage when Obamacare's government-managed insurance exchanges come online.


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The reason Democrats fought so hard to dismiss the McKinsey survey when it was released is because its conclusion undermines two major claims Obama made during health care debate: "If you like your health plan, you can keep it" and "It will not add one penny to the deficit."


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The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) premised their Obamacare score on the assumption that only 7 percent of employers would drop their employee health plans. If the percentage is closer to the 30 percent, as the McKinsey survey results predict, Obamacare's price tag would rise by almost $1 trillion.


Paraphrasing Pelosi, now that obamacare is passed, we're still finding out what's in the bill ...




posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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Obamacare is Barack's gift to the insurance industry and making sure that the status quo of insane medical costs in this country continues unabated.

Screw him, and his handlers.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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reply to post by centurion1211
 


Might be seen this in ca with the grocery unions, they are going to strike because they are trying to drop their healthcare.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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Those of you that even have "employer paid" health care shouldn't complain.

As a matter of fact why should an employer even "have to" provide "paid" health care?

I'm self employed - I have to buy my own health care. For my husband and I it's $775.00 per month and that's with a huge deductible.

Health care provided by an employer is a "benefit" not a right or entitlement.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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That would be a fine argument IF collusion between regulators and the insurance industry hadn't already driven up the cost of healthcare nearly 500% since 1986, surpassing the ability for most working class people to pay for it on the "open market" (what a joke).

As it is -- "Healthcare is slavery." Our working class cant compete with the working class from other nations because if we get sick, we lose our jobs, our healthcare and then our houses. If someone in Germany gets sick -- they concentrate on getting well before returning to work and lose NONE of their savings or shelter. And guess what? Germany's economy is propping up the whole EU at the moment, and is in FAR better shape then ours has been in since the late 90's.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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The OP is about the deceit used to help get obamacare passed.

What's next?

Oh, and then someone in the obama administration says (whispering), "About there being no "death panels" ...".
edit on 9/20/2011 by centurion1211 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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YES but many employers use healthcare as a reason to pay employees less, Ive been in Management for 10 years and have seen the employer side, they use it as an incentive, its part of the cost of paying your employees.

Many people start jobs because they have benefits, even if the pay is not what it should be.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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and I have to wonder.

if an employer drops coverage,

will the employees get the cost saved added to their pay ????

probably not ......



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
The OP is about the deceit used to help get obamacare passed.


How is a decision made by a private business deceit on the part of Obama?

If you have left that decision in the hands of your employer then that's on you.


edit on 20-9-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Health care is a necessity no a luxury.



People in this nation doesn't understand that we have been gouged by big Insurance companies monopoly and under Obamacare is going to get worst.

Obamacare is the insurance companies bailout.

Now with the proposed plan by Obama to reduce the deficit he is going to rob the baby boomers from their benefits under Medicare, after many pay for it all their working lives.

After he finish with Medicare, Bush Medicare overhaul that screw so many seniors with its part A and B crap, is going to look like good old days compare to what Obama is going to do.

Yes, things are going to get every nice in the land of oportunity.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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anyone who can think for themselves knows

the rising costs of healthcare is due to what?

government regulation compounded by what?

lack of competition within that industry further compounded by what?

the devaluation of the dollar and agian further compounded by what?

outsourcing of medical equipment providers.

the more people competing to bring goods and services to market has what effect?

cheaper better quality of service.

the goal of obamacare?

the total and complete destruction of the healthcare system in this country why?

because private healthcare coverage is and will always be far better off that medicare and medicaid

so what nefarious purpose is the end goal here?

to make the government the only game in town why

complete and total control

more of the same.

obamacare needs to die and bigtime and fast.

medicare and medicaid both have destroyed trillions of wealth long term wealth creation and what else?

job creation.

people if you want better healthcare and cheap get government the hell out of that equation.

think about it this country is on life support and they are doing everything in their power to pull that plug.

think for crying outloud THINK.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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Never mind. Clicked through and watched the video. Dean has a point.
edit on 20-9-2011 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
people if you want better healthcare and cheap get government the hell out of that equation.


Any ideas on how to do that?

Please don't say voting them out because it has been shown time and again that that doesn't work.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by centurion1211
The OP is about the deceit used to help get obamacare passed.


How is a decision made by a private business deceit on the part of Obama?


edit on 20-9-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)


Couldn't be any clearer ...

Obama made that promise to deal with one of the points opponents of obamacare were making that obamacare would force people to take the government insurance and thus put private insurers out of business. Obama promised that wouldn't happen. And OMB scored the costs of of obamacare based in part on those promises.

Where it would be deceit on the part of obama is if he knew what he was saying was false when he said, but went ahead anyway just to get his bill passed. The old what did he know and when did he know it?

If obama lied about people being able to keep their insurance, then he also lied about the costs of obamacare and the effect of it on the deficit.

Simple as that ...



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by centurion1211
 


Never mind. Clicked through and watched the video. Dean has a point.
edit on 20-9-2011 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)


Yes.

Dean's point is that the original statements made by obama are false.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
If obama lied about people being able to keep their insurance, then he also lied about the costs of obamacare and the effect of it on the deficit.

Simple as that ...


No he didn't because the fact is that people have handed that choice over to their employer. If they hadn't then they would indeed have the choice. The only one to blame is the person who gave up their freedom to choose in exchange for a paycheck.


edit on 20-9-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by centurion1211
If obama lied about people being able to keep their insurance, then he also lied about the costs of obamacare and the effect of it on the deficit.

Simple as that ...


No he didn't because the fact is that people have handed that choice over to their employer. If they hadn't then they would indeed have the choice. The only one to blame is the person who gave up their freedom to choose in exchange for a paycheck.


edit on 20-9-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)


I'm not clear on exactly HOW employees have

"handed over" the insurance "choice" to employers ?????

if a collective bargaining contract exists, then I see the choice.

Absence of a contract makes the "choice" solely in the hands of the companies.

yes/no

otherwise, most people have relied on the government and clearly,

Obama's statements would influence worker's opinions.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by neo96people if you want better healthcare and cheap get government the hell out of that equation.


That's probably the biggest line of bull ever uttered. The reason health care is expensive is precisely because there isn't any regulation or price controls. It's a monopoly run amok.

Hospital side it's because of three reasons: malpractice insurance, indigent patients, and blatant profiteering. Tort reform, public health care, and strict pricing controls alleviate that.

Insurance company side is because of one reason: blatant profiteering. We don't NEED the insurance companies. Their whole purpose is to middle man the process and skim (gouge) off the top. If pricing was reasonable on the hospital side along with a public option there would be no need for any health insurance company.

Good grief what a load of malarkey.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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That's the whole point of the OP. Employers dropping their private insurance thus forcing employees onto obamacare.

If this isn't the case then the OP is wrong.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 05:08 PM
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really now

lets see how does insurance work?

a person pays a premium for a period of time usually months of not years and depending upon age and current health the simple fact is that person can go years 10 to 20 without ever needing or using them but they are still paying into that system per premiums.

multiply that by everyone person who is doing the same insurance simple works people pay into it to pay for those people who are using it right up until there time.

that is a profit based model compared to medicare and medicad whose non profit system where everyone is "paying" but every single one is using it.

clear differences between the private and governemnt healthcare model types.

and theres the governemt right there dictacting to both how they can and cant do things rules and regulations add to the cost of healthcare

those are the facts and adding to that cost are lawyers,insurance and everything else.

insurance is expensive because government has made it that way

that "evil profiteering" is the reason private healthcare in this country is and always will be better than government ran stupidity



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