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Canada's Patriot Act Might Come Soon

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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 05:37 PM
Well fellow Canadians, I've never heard of this and it's quite alarming.

The Conservative Government has said they are going to be re-introducing the Lawful Access Legislation. Specifically bills Bill C-50, C-51, C-52.

This will allow for unprecedented government oversight and power of communications. Basically making it so that ISP's must provide, without a warrant, full disclosure of personal information.

Here's a document I found detailing some of the information regarding the bills.

Stop The Online Spying

Lawful Access is an invasive and anti-Internet set of electronic surveillance laws that would turn Internet service providers against their own customers by making them state agents, obligated to assist in state investigations.

Internet service providers will be forced to take steps to counter online encryption and anonymity and implement tracking technology, and they will pass the cost of doing so onto their customers.

“Authorities” will be granted an unchecked expansion of online surveillance powers, yet the government has not demonstrated why these increased powers are needed and/or why current powers are insufficient.

These new police powers have never received proper debate in the House of Commons and have never been the subject of committee hearings. The government is hastily pushing through this legislation with little, if any, oversight or debate.

This is dangerous legislation and should worry any Canadian who cares about their privacy online or otherwise. This legislation also covers cell phones and other mobile devices.

What say you Canada? Do we really want to venture into this realm?


posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 05:54 PM
reply to post by tothetenthpower

Wow! And I thought the Patriot act was a blatant disregard for civil liberties.
Why don't they just arrest anyone attempting to access the internet and get it over with?

posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:00 PM
i shall now call my mayor and ask him WTF! because i am against this all the way.....i dont see why they need this much "Power" but i may only be one person but if i can bring light to more people the better the odds our in our favor thanks for bringing this up

posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:12 PM
Like the governments in Canada are trust-worthy ones!...

Organized crime has made its way at so many levels that our infos would be sold many times over and/or used for their own agendas...

I think I'd rather go back to the stone age that was the era without computers than participate in this. Let's see how long providers will survive without any customers...

But alas, there is already a generation deliberately exposing itself on every platform there is, so... They won't mind these laws, for the most part. Who said assimilation was the exclusive Domain of the Borgs?...


posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:30 PM
I was always under the assumption that they already had the power to get all the info they needed from an IP address , if they felt the need.

Honestly not sure what to think.. because it could be a good thing regarding those who abuse the anonymity of the internet for serious crime.

The only problem is..can we expect those that are in control to be all noble people seeking to right wrongs... and help victims?

I would hope so..

edit on 16-9-2011 by gabby2011 because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 12:35 AM
reply to post by tothetenthpower

This is so screwed up. Our laws concerning privacy are whacked. The government can find out anything I do on the internet or anywhere else for that matter, but I can't find out what crap they have on file about me, because of "privacy laws."

One rule for all ! Not one for them and one for us.

Cheers - Dave

posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 01:25 AM
Its very much time to assume that he went for that majority government for a reason, and to put him back in his place, so that he understands not to overstep the boundaries.

In other words its time to get some work down internally in our country.

But we also should extend compassion and attempt to shine our lights and demonstrate or share with him the kind of world, country we're going to create and he's welcome to walk away from his contract with them and join with us. But we're not going to compromise.

posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 04:15 AM
reply to post by gabby2011

Well, they can, but they would need to go to a judge and have him sign a warrant for the information. For this the judge will require a certain amount of evidence that constitutes a reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing. The new legislation would not require this.

This, along with the new law allowing them to incarcerate people without judicial oversight, is the main reason why I voted against the Conservatives. The Gestapo was granted much the same sort of powers in 1930s Germany.

posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 12:10 PM
I wonder how they intend to monitor free public Wi-Fi?

posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 08:07 PM
wow that sounds retarded I want my privacy, I guess this whole NWO thing will absorb canada, I think I am going to move into the forests of south america

posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 08:45 PM
Is this any of a surprise with Harper now? I never thought that this great country would be going down the fascist road faster than the U.S. I don't even recognize this country and its people anymore.

Not just American idiot now he?
edit on 17-9-2011 by Exv8densez because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 01:05 PM
reply to post by Calex1987

Calex, I would suggest calling your Member of Parliament instead....everyone in Canada should do the same. This bill must be stopped!

posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:47 AM
Damn, they're talking about this on the news right now, this is the first time I'm hearing of this and it's pretty scary stuff. We gotta do all we can to put an end to this madness, they're saying anyone against this bill is for child porn, how pathetic of the government to stoop to that level. Talk about invasion of privacy...

posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:49 AM
reply to post by concernedcitizen519

Yes, they stated yesterday I believe:

"Stand with us, or the child molesters"

What a crock of crap, this government is going to be the end of Canada. We need another vote of no confidence and another election.

As costly as they are, anything is better than Stephen Harper.

posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 10:49 AM
Holy crap !

This is the first time I've heard of this... WTH ?!!

From your link OP:

ISPs will be required to significantly redesign their networks to allow for real-time surveillance so that government can know exactly what is going on, as it happens

ISPs will be required to have detailed capability requirements -- including the power to intercept communications, isolate communications to a specific individual, and engage in multiple simultaneous intercepts

Mandate ISP assistance with testing surveillance capabilities and disclosing names of employees engaged in the interceptions

Real-time surveillance ?! Intercepting communications ?!

Digging around the internet to try and find more info, I came across a letter on the Canadian Privacy Law Blog website written by the Ontario Privacy Commissioner addressed to the Minister of Public Safety (Vic Toews) and the Attorney General of Canada (Robert Nicholson) dated back in October 2011:

Dear Ministers:

As the Information and Privacy Commissioner of Ontario, I felt compelled to write to you today regarding the federal government’s insistence on enacting a highly intrusive surveillanceregime. I do so in full support of Canada’s Privacy Commissioner Stoddart and the open letter she sent to Minister Toews on October 26th.

At the outset, please note that my mandate includes commenting on developments that affect the personal privacy of Ontarians, and overseeing law enforcement compliance with privacy legislation in Ontario. The proposed surveillanceregime will have a substantial impact on the privacy rights of Ontarians, law enforcement functions, and the role of my office.

Media reports referring to Minister Toews’ rejection of Commissioner Stoddart’s concerns and quoting his defence of the regime suggest that the government will re-introduce Bills C-50, C-51, and C-52 (“the Bills”) in essentially the same form in which they appeared in the last Parliament. In my view, that would be highly regrettable for the people of Ontario and Canada. I am writing this open letter to outline my specific concerns and concrete recommendations.


The letter is a long read, but it's chocked full of great points made against allowing such legislation to go through.

So it seems that (hopefully) a number of "higher ups" are dead against this ?

On a more pessimistic note though: With the constant push of this garbage in countries everywhere, I think it's going to eventually become inevitable that these laws will get enacted and we will be under 24hr surveillance. It's just a matter of time.

I can't believe it.

posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 01:25 PM
reply to post by tothetenthpower

I totally agree with you...unfortunately, a no-confidence vote will never go through with a majority government. The only way this could ever be blocked is from massive public outcry, similar to what happened in the US over the SOPA/PIPA fiasco. Corporate giants got involved and created much bad publicity; politicians get nervous for their jobs.

Unfortunately, ordinary people are too complacent and won't put any effort into letting MPs know how they feel.

posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 01:53 PM
"Innocent until proven Guilty"


"Until you're proven Innocent, you're Guilty"

I am sick and tired of the clutch and grab scams the government(s) are perpetually instigating against us.
It's always more more more.
It's time top put these power hungry c_suckers in their place. Check out the links. File your grievances. Fill out the petitions. Call and write your local hacks and news publishers.

ps. Forgot about this link. This one makes it easy for all the lazy sods out there.

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posted on Mar, 26 2012 @ 03:02 PM
reply to post by tothetenthpower

Canada does not need a patriot act, it is not a Republic, it is a democracy which basically is socialism. So in effect it is already under an act that does not and never did actually give rights to people but instead were given privileges which is a big difference. It won't be hard to go to a fascist system, in a sense it already has been that way for very many years.
Because the U.S. was built on a Republic with a declaration of independence, a constitution, and a bill of rights it makes it very difficult to change that system. So it has been done over a very long period of time, like over a hundred years.

posted on Mar, 26 2012 @ 05:10 PM
Harper is no leader
He will let Obama walk all over him

I'm sure Obama wanted Harper to win


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