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posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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I'd like to preface this post saying it may not be relevant to our non-American friends or metro-sexuals that trust their government to look out for their well being. For those who do believe that the right to protect yourself, your family, your property, and even those who can't protect themselves is a right endowed by our Creator, (or a "basic human right" if you don't believe in a Creator) maybe you'll agree.

The world is sinking into chaos all around us. TPTB can't be trusted in any nation and especially the powers that are above the individual nations. The dangers all around us are starting to multiply exponentially. Rising natural disasters, looming financial collapse, violent flash mobs and worst of all creeping tyranny slowly eroding our rights as citizens. The need to protect ourselves is rising daily and the magnitude of threat keeps growing.

As I see it, at this point, the only reason TPTB would want to confiscate our best means of protection is to control us. Once unarmed we become fully subject to their will. If we stand up to this tyranny before they take our means for self defense it will greatly impede their wicked intentions. For the most part, these people are cowards.

So here's my suggestion. The portion of us in America that understand liberty is not free and are willing to fight for our freedom need to draw a line in the sand.
"I will not lay down my God given rights and freedoms to give any authority the power to subjugate me at their will. It is my right and responsibility to defend myself and those that can't defend themselves. You can have my guns when you pry them out of my cold dead hands." (Thank you Charleton Heston)

TPTB need to understand that when they decide to come and disarm their subjects, there will be a great cost. I've heard that only 3% of the colonists fought the Revolutionary War. If only 1% are willing to fight for their rights in America today, that's over 3 million people. How many of these cowards would lay down their lives that many times to disarm the "radicals" who still believe in freedom.




posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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The answer to everyone's security question is to secure yourself. Arm everyone.

No DHS needed (or ATF or DEA or etc). No privacy issues. Airports are awesome again.

No more paramilitary police force. No more SWAT home invasions. No more disrespect.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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spoken like a true" 3%'er":

The Doctrine of the Three Percent.
The Three Percent are the folks the Founders counted on to save the Republic when everyone else abandoned it.

And we will.

There will be no more free Wacos and no more free Katrinas.

For we are the Three Percent.

We will not disarm.

You cannot convince us.

You cannot intimidate us.

You can try to kill us, if you think you can.

But remember, we’ll shoot back .

We are not going away.

We are not backing up another inch.

And there are THREE MILLION OF US.

Your move, Mr. Wannabe Tyrant.

Your move.
And, as things begin to spin out of control, remember this:
"All politics in this country now is just dress rehearsal for civil war." -- Billy Beck, August 2009.

From MamaLiberty over at War on Guns:
"Here's an idea...If nobody wants a 'civil disturbance,' why in heck don't they quit disturbing us?"


Indeed.
What is a "Three Percenter"?
During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King's tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists. They were in turn actively supported by perhaps 10% of the population. In addition to these revolutionaries were perhaps another 20% who favored their cause but did little or nothing to support it. Another one-third of the population sided with the King (by the end of the war there were actually more Americans fighting FOR the King than there were in the field against him) and the final third took no side, blew with the wind and took what came.

Three Percenters today do not claim that we represent 3% of the American people, although we might. That theory has not yet been tested. We DO claim that we represent at least 3% of American gun owners, which is still a healthy number somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million people. History, for good or ill, is made by determined minorities. We are one such minority. So too are the current enemies of the Founders' Republic. What remains, then, is the test of will and skill to determine who shall shape the future of our nation.

The Three Percent today are gun owners who will not disarm, will not compromise and will no longer back up at the passage of the next gun control act. Three Percenters say quite explicitly that we will not obey any futher circumscription of our traditional liberties and will defend ourselves if attacked. We intend to maintain our God-given natural rights to liberty and property, and that means most especially the right to keep and bear arms. Thus, we are committed to the restoration of the Founders' Republic, and are willing to fight, die and, if forced by any would-be oppressor, to kill in the defense of ourselves and the Constitution that we all took an oath to uphold against enemies foreign and domestic.

We are the people that the collectivists who now control the government should leave alone if they wish to continue unfettered oxygen consumption. We are the Three Percent. Attempt to further oppress us at your peril. To put it bluntly, leave us the hell alone. Or, if you feel froggy, go ahead AND WATCH WHAT HAPPENS.


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Rock on! brother



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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I personally don't believe any administration will try and actually reverse the 2nd Amendment. Americans buy more firearms than several militaries in foreign countries combined. We are more heavily armed than any other country in the world on a per capita basis.

Rather, I think that the fight over arms will be sneakier. Remove ammunition, and you have rendered guns useless. In the last few years, ammo prices have consistently risen and supplies are lacking and can not meet current demand levels. I believe this will become even worse in the years ahead.

A gun without ammo is nothing more than a metal stick. Removing all arms, and amending the Constitution in order to do so, is going to rack up an enormous legal challenge complete with a billion dollar bill attached. Not gonna happen. Especially since the war on drugs has been proven to be a complete waste of money, to start a war on arms at this juncture would be political suicide.

Instead, look for ammo restrictions, registration fee hikes, outrageous taxes, etc. When that starts to happen is when we need to speak. If you wait for the reversal of the 2nd Amendment, it will be too late in my opinion.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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I think we have a better chance of dropping the ball in the stewardship of our own liberty. The US government is no better prepared to hold the land of the US militarily as would be any other nation.

I just don't think it should come down to a street fight between any faction of the people and the government, or between the people themselves. I think there are better ways to deal with our issues than to spill blood...



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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I've spent ages trying to argue against the American 'reckless gun control' policies.
I've argued that if there are massive amounts of guns, more people will get killed, whether murdered, killed in self defense, or by accident.
I have tried to argue that too many nut jobs get hold of guns, and I have tried to argue that here in the UK, it's less of an issue, because people don't generally have guns (except the police) So anyone who has a gun is treated as a criminal until they can produce a license.

You know what? I'm done arguing.
You're right, and have been all along.
Who gets to choose?
We're all human. Who gets the right to decide who carries a weapon and who doesn't.
Who gets to choose what men and women are allowed to blast peoples heads off and who aren't.
How many police officers in the states AND the UK have been using firearms against unarmed people.
We have brutality. We have the constant threat of terrorism shoved down our throats on a daily basis.
We have governments who keep so much from every one of us, but (think) they have absolute power.

In the UK we are absolutely 100% screwed.
If terrorists attacked our cities or some hideous natural disaster happened, and in order to 'keep control' the government ordered the police to fire at civilians... Or even IF (for arguments sake) our government decided to take complete control, impose a curfew, start rounding people up. (I don't know.. I can think of a millions reasons, but it's usually the ones you haven't imagined that happen)
We would have only placards, and angry chants to defend ourselves with.
Maybe a few rocks thrown at some police cars.

My brothers and sisters across the pond would fight fire with fire.
I'm not arguing anymore. In fact open your arms, and me and my daughter would be over there like.. well.. a shot..



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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S+F because i do agree with you. However it does not matter. In they end they will pry your guns from your cold dead hands and you will be alone, because the american people have been whipped and the fight has gone out of us. Greed, avarice and apathy have taken the place of the desire for freedom. The truth is, the american people will do anything TPTB say because they are frightened and too cowardly to come together. Ninety-nine percent of the people are followers, but only one pecent (and i'm giving alot of leaway here by saying one percent) are born with the fire in them to lead and to do. Now we do the will of men instead of the will of our Lord, and it is to that Almighty Dollar we pray now and we worship from the altar of the Almighty Bank.

The entire world is sliding into Hell and still no one believes that Hell even exists even though it is all around us and is only going to get much much worse. As chaos pervades us all, the whole world can tell that something has gone awry in the worst way and is still reeling from that revelation. This event is called the Great Tribulation, and indeed as you say weather events and natural disasters across the entire world are getting worse on a scale and frequency that hasn't been seen by mankind in 95 generations. Wars and rumors of wars pervade the news channels.

The U.S. is being invaded by mexican drug cartels, and innocent american citizens are being butchered in the steets of Phoenix and Tuscon Arizona, and how does our government respond to this? They go on campaign trails and look pretty for the camera and go on with their lives, when the lives of our people and our children are being snuffed out. They have grown complacent and they no longer care for us. We have mexican armies on our soil, under a disguise of "co-operation". We wouldn't even need these mexican militaries if our troops were home instead of fighting needless wars. Our sons and daughters, brothers and sisters are needed here in our homeland to protect our people from the domestic threat that murders our people on our southern borders. Our government failed us at 9/11 as we were invaded by muslim extremists and in a merciless attack murdered over 3000 people (when they had the intel to act and stop them before hand, instead they did nothing). For the second time in a decade the U.S. is being invaded and they don't even bother to respond. It's not even making the news anymore.

The world economy is collapsing, and we are being ushered into a One World Order which will be world wide socialism as the world finds out that money is unreliable, and only the sweat of a man's brow and his hardwork will he able to feed he and his family. The one world order will be the only thing that will halt the chaos that capitalism has created. Some people don't believe this is coming, but the truth is it is already here and it has been foretold long ago and is now coming into fruition. The End Time is here. keep an eye on the news and whats going on in the world, and you will see it get alot worse i promise you that.
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posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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One day, in the future there will be a time when the whole world will realize the importance of civilians having our guns. When that day comes, the rest of the world and the anti-gun people will turn the tide and thank the other civilians that have taken it upon themselves to adequately arm themselves. The day will come when people will come to take our things and/or liberty and it will be those guns that will keep what is ours, ours. It will be the people that own firearms that will defeat any attempt to usurp our rights.

After all, it has happened before, successfully at that.
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posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
I think we have a better chance of dropping the ball in the stewardship of our own liberty. The US government is no better prepared to hold the land of the US militarily as would be any other nation.

I just don't think it should come down to a street fight between any faction of the people and the government, or between the people themselves. I think there are better ways to deal with our issues than to spill blood...


Spilling blood is the only thing tyrants understand. They will not take you seriously until they are staring down the barrels of your guns, until that day comes (and it won't so don't worry) they will never understand you. Until the gun is pointed in their faces we speak different languages, but when they stare down the barrel of a pistol the meaning becomes all too clear, and then they know you mean business. "Its all fun and games until someone gets hurt" as the saying goes.

We've tried to deal with these issues without spilling blood. We tried for 160 years to do it the peaceful way after the South lost the Civil War, they refused to let us resolve the issues peacefully otherwise they wouldn't constantly ignore the will of the people and fund these useless wars we cannot afford. They would rather make war on some country on the other side of the world than defend our own people on our southern borders from these damned mexican drug cartels that are butchering our fellow americans in arizona and new mexico. We've been invaded by mexico and they would rather worry about the next election than protecting our people. Does this sound like a government that deserves to go on surviving? It's not just the U.S. either, its literally every country on the planet. Governments that would rather kill their own citizens than straighten up and act right and work for the people. Compromise has left the building and exchanged places with Totalitarianism.

I'm not advocating that we spill blood, i'm just saying that we will never be on the same level they are, no matter how hard you protest and have peaceful demonstrations. They don't even bother to look at your signs, they just walk on "move along, nothing to see!" and forget about it.
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posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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Thanks 46Ace, I'd never heard of them before. They sound very similar to how I feel.
I will have to tool around the link you provided.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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Very true. There will be an end to this age that we live in and I believe it's coming much sooner than most people believe. There are things we need to fight for in the mean time. However, if I were to be here when they start coming to take heads because of faith in Jesus Christ, it may be time to go home.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
I think we have a better chance of dropping the ball in the stewardship of our own liberty. The US government is no better prepared to hold the land of the US militarily as would be any other nation.

I just don't think it should come down to a street fight between any faction of the people and the government, or between the people themselves. I think there are better ways to deal with our issues than to spill blood...


Of course there are:

IF we ever get past calling each other "dirty "S.O.B's" instead of "fellow Americans".
I don't advocate shooting "deputy Bob" ( who lives down the block) off my front porch."Murder"is"Murder",(and they'll just send more guys anyway!); But "they" absolutely have to deal with the citizenry through reason and not violence now. At some point a line needed to be drawn publically. Full of bluster and hotair or not.
There is nothing ambiguous about the message of the 3percenters.
("cue the: rattlesnake rattle")
"You've gone too far; don't move another inch".

TJ quote added:
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President of the United States "


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posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Skewed
One day, in the future there will be a time when the whole world will realize the importance of civilians having our guns. When that day comes, the rest of the world and the anti-gun people will turn the tide and thank the other civilians that have taken it upon themselves to adequately arm themselves. The day will come when people will come to take our things and/or liberty and it will be those guns that will keep what is ours, ours. It will be the people that own firearms that will defeat any attempt to usurp our rights.

After all, it has happened before, successfully at that.
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Thats where you are wrong. Even right now they are working to remove the right to bear arms, and when that happens and it will, "they" win. Why do you think they enforce firearm registration? So they know who has firearms and they know right where to go to get them. They don't enforce firearm registration on criminals because criminals are always going to have guns because they buy from the black market. So whose guns are they going to take? Yours and anyone else who has them and is registered. These people are using criminals in order to get their way.

Oh gee, some innocent people were killed in a drive by gang shooting. Oh look, some nutjob climbed ontop of the Sears Tower and started firing rounds into a crowd and killed some people. Now look there, there was a Federal Judge in the southwest that was shot by some gun toting crazy guy and he wounded a congresswoman too. Lets not forget the Columbine shootings, or any other school shootings that have happened. Oh and ofcourse theres the attempted assasination of President Reagan, and the successful assasination of John F. Kennedy. Theyre using all of these incidents to take away the right to bear arms saying "guns kill people", which is a half-truth. The whole truth is people use guns to kill other people, the firearm itself is just a tool.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by Deplume
I've spent ages trying to argue against the American 'reckless gun control' policies.
I've argued that if there are massive amounts of guns, more people will get killed, whether murdered, killed in self defense, or by accident.
I have tried to argue that too many nut jobs get hold of guns, and I have tried to argue that here in the UK, it's less of an issue, because people don't generally have guns (except the police) So anyone who has a gun is treated as a criminal until they can produce a license.

You know what? I'm done arguing.
You're right, and have been all along.
Who gets to choose?
We're all human. Who gets the right to decide who carries a weapon and who doesn't.
Who gets to choose what men and women are allowed to blast peoples heads off and who aren't.
How many police officers in the states AND the UK have been using firearms against unarmed people.
We have brutality. We have the constant threat of terrorism shoved down our throats on a daily basis.
We have governments who keep so much from every one of us, but (think) they have absolute power.

In the UK we are absolutely 100% screwed.
If terrorists attacked our cities or some hideous natural disaster happened, and in order to 'keep control' the government ordered the police to fire at civilians... Or even IF (for arguments sake) our government decided to take complete control, impose a curfew, start rounding people up. (I don't know.. I can think of a millions reasons, but it's usually the ones you haven't imagined that happen)
We would have only placards, and angry chants to defend ourselves with.
Maybe a few rocks thrown at some police cars.

My brothers and sisters across the pond would fight fire with fire.
I'm not arguing anymore. In fact open your arms, and me and my daughter would be over there like.. well.. a shot..


Come on over, the more the merrier! Theres absolutely no reason why you should not be able to defend your home and your family from any aggressors. There's a town in the state of Georgia nicknamed "guntown u.s.a." that adopted a policy in 1980's requiring that ALL citzens own a gun, because the crime rate had gotten so bad. Once they all abought firearms, the violent crime rate dropped to zero and there hasnt bene a murder in 25 years there. The proof is in the pudding, when everyone owns a firearm, criminals have a tendency to leave you alone when they know that you will send them to meet God and he isn't the kind of principal you want to get a spanking from because His spankings last for eternity.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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Well, passing a law that outlaws private gun ownership is one thing.

Coming and taking them away will be another. Law or no law, I do not see people willingly handing their weapons over without a fight of some sort.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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Well, passing a law that outlaws private gun ownership is one thing.

Coming and taking them away will be another. Law or no law, I do not see people willingly handing their weapons over without a fight of some sort.


They will, when they have 2-3 police officers bang on their doors to confiscate their firearms, they will piss themselves and go blind and forget all about fighting back. In order for these people to fail, it's going to take every american standing shoulder to shoulder and its not going to happen. When these cops or military men come to disarm the people, there will be no resistance, your next door neighbor is not going to open fire because he's worried about saving his own ass.

When the sh*t hits the fan its always every man for himself, thoughts about saving your friends and neighbors gets forgotten when bullets start flying and whizzing past your ears. Now retired veterans and people who were in the military but were discharged might fight back.
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posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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In the event of this happening....

I will either report every single gun I own as stolen and hide them somewhere else.

Or, I will put a sign on my door stating that if they are there to confiscate my weapons that the weapons and myself could be located out in the salt flats along with a few million other individuals should they decide to all group together with me.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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I firmly believe that the vast majority of the people who cherish liberty are doing a hell of a job winning in the war of ideas. It's the free market of thought one should be embracing. If one can't beat his or her opponent without killing him then any semblance of stability liberty minded individuals were hoping for will be gone.

Revolution has turned in to somewhat of an ideological fetish on both ends of the political spectrum.

Here are some facts:

1. Gun laws are becoming more and more lax across the country. Concealed carry permit laws, states opting for permit-less concealed carry. Campus carry, and no-"NICS check after CCW-issue" passed in Nevada recently. That means I don't have to go through a back ground check in Nevada for gun purchases once I've been issued a valid CCW.

2. Government has never been under a more watchful citizenry as it is today.

3 The economy is getting worse. There is no doubt about that to me, and there never has been. But if we can somehow elect a more responsive government, a more liberty-centric group of individuals to run things. Little by little we can wrench our liberty back. What we see today from government is most certainly not up to par with constitutional principle, but none of it happened in a day, and none of it will be fixed in a day.

Peace is hard. It's violence that comes easy to us. And violence is the easy road. But a road to what? American revolutionaries of old were EXTREMELY lucky to have ended up with the country they fought for. Most revolutions don't go that way. Take the French Revolution for instance, Napoleon came from that, and the people fought for what they thought was going to be American style liberty. In the end, the one thing to take away from this is "be careful what you wish for..."



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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I agree. When/if the citizens can solve the problem of getting back to being in charge, and the government actually working for the citizens then 98% of our problems will no longer be problems and everything else will just naturally fall back into place as it should be.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Well "we "finally passed ccw here(Wisconsin) So I 'd have to agree there...Fact I need to find an opening in a certification class(and I probably wouldn't carry 24/7 here) anyway. (don't feel a pressing threat).

Believe me Ihave no illusions about discharging my weapon in anger. I'm in no physical condition to fight a mean case of the flu! never mind 18year old fit govt counterinsurgency troopers. I don't know 3 people I'd be comfortable putting back "in charge".
Kind of like a dog chasing a car:
What's he gonna do if he catches it?"

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