The Ecliptic plane , 2012 and the dawn of a new age thread

Originally posted by Alias Jones
I see in the Mayan timeline an advanced mathematical and astronomical people. While perfect interrpretaion still evades us, if you look at what the Maya where saying in their calendar and not necessarily exactly how they said it , the message becomes clear. The way of the universe is one of cycles. The solar system is the manifest of the greater whole of the universe , as related to the sun / Earth bond. The Galaxy is inmotion, and in it our solar system and within it our Earth. The cycle is set to renew itself as the great cycle at the crossing of the galactic plane of the ecliptic. This is the 2012 of the Maya. Now filter this timeline through the gregorian calendar and someconfusion, inevitably arises.

The truth of the matter is that indeed or solar system is in the process of " crossing " the galactic ecliptic plane. To this there is no doubt. At what precise time on our watches will we be exactly at the crossing - well you guessed it 12/21/2012.


Regardless of whether or not fictionalized and personalized dogma has found its way into the scince through the eons of thought my man, the end result remains the same.

Originally posted by dirty_g

The link I provided did show from old charts that the precision happened in 1997 (coincidentally the year I found out about the 2012 date) . What more do you want? More links?

Originally posted by dirty_g
However you look at it the zodiac signs have nothing to do with the Maya. Why people relate them is beyond me.

originally posted by dirty_g
The link I provided did show from old charts that the precision happened in 1997.

originally posted by dirty_gThe more I look into it the more I seem to find people have just been trying to make a quick buck from books etc.

originally posted by dirty_g
Also the more I seem to find spiritualists refuse to yield to the actual real experts telling them its a bit of a con really. Falling for Psuedo Sciences instead.

Originally posted by kshatreya_putrudu
Hey guys,

Good discussion going on.

Just want to clear something, the Kali Yuga is not to end for thousands of years. We are still relatively in the beginning of the Kali Yuga.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy


Yes, more sources to prove the credibility of your claim would be ideal. The link you provided was someones thoughts and opinions on astrology hosted by Geocities...this hardly constitutes a credible source.

Originally posted by dirty_g


Look at the link and where he got the charts from. They are not just ones he made up at home they are from actual observatries. By the way isnt the whole end of world 2012 thing just some peoples opinion?

Also the arguments against what I am saying are just people not liking what I have said. Its a fact that actually decoding what the maya have put is very hard and it is how people have interpreted it. Which is why the argumentsd about it. Also there is much speculation as to if the date 2012 is even a correct date. Would you like another link to look at? oh go on then!! en.wikipedia.org... anyway this has a nice bit on the Mayan Calender and also tells how the calculations were flawed anyway. Still I'm sure somebody on the board will still tell me it is wrong simply because they say so. Send me a link with your own evidence if you wish to contradict me rather than telling me im wrong as you just think so. By the way these people do want to sell books. Honestly!

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originally posted by dirty_g
Look at the link and where he got the charts from. They are not just ones he made up at home they are from actual observatries. By the way isnt the whole end of world 2012 thing just some peoples opinion?

The last creation ended on a long count of 13.0.0.0.0. Another 13.0.0.0.0 will occur on December 21, 2012...

originally posted by kshatreya_putrudu
Just want to clear something, the Kali Yuga is not to end for thousands of years. We are still relatively in the beginning of the Kali Yuga.

In the Hindu system of time cycles, the longest cycles last trillions of years, but at the shorter end of the cycle spectrum, we have the four Yugas, which are:

Krita Yuga (Golden Age): 1,728,000 years = 2,160 x 800

Treta Yuga (Silver Age): 1,296,000 years =2,160 x 600

Dvapara Yuga (Copper/Bronze Age): 864,000 years =2,160 x 400

Kali Yuga (Iron Age): 432,000 years =2,160 x 200

Each Yuga is split into 3 parts; dawn; day; and dusk:

Krita Yuga: dawn = 144,000; day = 1,440,000; dusk = 144,000

Treta Yuga: dawn: 108,000; day: 1,080,000; dusk: 108,000

Dvapara Yuga: dawn:72,000; day: 720,000; dusk: 72,000

Kali Yuga: dawn: 36,000; day: 360,000; dusk: 36,000



If these numbers look familiar, that is because they are precessional numbers:



Platonic Year = 25,920 years (12 x 2,160) - 1 complete precession of the equinoxes (or solstices);

Platonic month = 2,160 years - precession of the equinox through one sign of the zodiac;

Platonic day = 72 years - precession of the equinox through one degree;

2 Platonic months = 4,320 years; half a Platonic month = 1,080 years; 2 Platonic days = 144 years

360 x 72 = 25,920.

Rene Guenon and others says we are now nearing the end of Kali Yuga, although some sources say it only started in 3,102 BC. John Major Jenkins' recent book, Galactic Alignment goes into the Vedic Yuga system in some detail, and he studies the work of Hindu saint, Sri Swami Yukteswar, (born 1855), who discovered an oversight in the Vedas, and went on to explain it. In one of the oldest Vedic writings, attributed to the god-man Manu, the 4 Yugas are said to add up to 24,000 years, but when they are enumerated, they only come to 12,000 years. The Satya Yuga (Golden Age) lasts 4,800 years; the Treta Yuga (Silver Age) lasts 3,600 years; the Dvapara Yuga (Bronze Age) lasts 2,400 years, and the Kali Yuga (Iron Age) lasts 1,200 years.
Yukteswar explained the enigma in a diagram that equates the 12,000 years to a descending half of the 24,000-year cycle, and another 12,000 years to an ascending half. Jenkins’ Study of the Yukteswar analysis shows that Yukteswar was talking about the precession cycle, but basing it on a 24,000-year cycle, rather than the (approx.) 25,700-year cycle recognised(sic) by astronomy. The descent into darkness started when the Summer (June) solstice sun was aligned with Galactic Centre, around 10,800 BC, and the ascent back to light starts when the Winter (December) solstice sun aligns with Galactic Centre circa 1998-2012

So, the Yuga system is about precession, as we have decoded from the classic cycle lengths above, and after looking at Jenkins' updates to Yukteswar's work, we can see that the end of Descending Kali Yuga corresponds to the Pisces - Aquarius transition of Western astrology, and to the solstice-galaxy alignment era AD 1998 - 2012.

The Long Count started at 13.0.0.0.0 on Julian day 584283 (3114 BC August 11 in the proleptic Gregorian calendar, or 3114 BC September 6 in the proleptic Julian calendar) according to the "Goodman, Martinez-Hernandez, Thompson" correlation (nicknamed "GMT"), the most widely accepted correlation between the Maya and Gregorian calendar. The baktuns progress 13, 1, 2, ..., 12. Because of this progression, many start the Long Count at 0.0.0.0.0 rather than 13.0.0.0.0, even though the Maya glyph for their epoch literally means "the completion of 13 baktuns". This cycle is 1,872,000 days in length, terminating on the Winter Solstice of 2012 (December 21, Gregorian) and is designated 13.0.0.0.0, since the Maya believed that time is periodic. Another correlation sometimes used, that of Lounsbury, correlates the start-day to JD 584285 (3114 BC August 13 (Gregorian) = 3114 BC September 8 (Julian) ) and the terminal date to 2012 December 23 (Gregorian).