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Originally posted by nenothtu
I'm capable of independent thought, and able to determine who I see as a threat to "America" in general, but more specifically my family and friends. the rest of you are just along for the ride. You get the same benefits they do, just because those benefits exist - not because I did it for "you".
Originally posted by bjarneorn
You are cabable of independent thought - is a good thing. But the selection process of soldiers, I suspect, is no different in the US, than it is here. What the psychologists select, is a mindless morons who are ready to go kill someone.
War isn't about killing people, but this is still how the selection process goes ... I've been there, and the question "are you ready to kill", or close to it ... is an absurd one, in my opinion. It's more about someone capable of handling the gun, and shooting it in the right direction, than having a person capable of independ thought.
But in my opinion, it's that man with his own independent opinion I want to see ... one who is capable of saying "no", because he thinks it's wrong.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Funny you should mention gun handling as a requisite. I knew a guy who traveled all the way to Rhodesia to join the RLI when he was in his early 30's. He'd never served a day of military service, because he was blind in his left eye - he'd been rejected in the physical. The Rhodesian recruiter just said "blind in the left eye? No worries. we shoot with our right eye, don't we? trigger finger OK?" and he was in.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by bjarneorn
One day when I was in high school, recruiters came by offering a free ride and a day out of school to travel 30 miles or so to take the ASVAB - Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery, a sort of aptitude test for military service. Already knowing what they were up to, I went anyhow, just to get out of school for the day. I scored a 96 on it, and the recruiters went into overdrive at that, trying all sorts of enticements that had not much to do with military service, or the way things work in the real world. Knowing what they were doing, I successfully evaded and escaped them, but it was iffy for a while. Recruiters from 7 different branches of service tried to snag me before all was said and done. evidently the ASVAB scores had gone out through channels to all of them.
I'll never forget a Navy recruiter who was as tenacious as a bulldog. The last conversation I had with him went like this:
Recruiter: "Why are you so resistant? What do I have to do to get you to sign the papers today?"
Me: "Nothin' you CAN do, nothin' you can say. I just don't like shiny shoes - they make good targets. I ain't goin', period. Have a nice day."
Your story is similar to mine about the military. I went behind my father back about 90 days before my 18th birthday and talked to an AirForce recruiter about joining. I graduated high school a year early, so this recruiter who by the way, I called the Bulldog too was highly interested in me and offered the ASVAB. I took it and had the exact same score you did 96%. She promised me all kinds of opportunities she said things of this nature:
You can do whatever you want.
You can be stationed/based where ever you choose.
We'll pay for your education.
You want to attend officers school?
My responses to the above statements went something like this:
That's my MO
So finally, I got the courage to mention my ambitions to my father. This conversation didn't go so well either. He was furious and refused to give me permission as I had not turned 18 yet. I started ignoring the calls from the recuriter. This went on for about a week until one day she and another recruiter decided to pop up at our house. Boy was that a mistake! My Dad refused to let me speak to them and did everything but kicked their a$$es to get them to leave. It was not nice and he embarrassed the hell outta me
They kept up with me throughout college and were very persistent on trying to get me to sign up. By this time, I was well on my way with studies at Temple University. However, I have had some very weird things happen to me since my father passed away in 2007. I have been visited by someone from the Army more than three times since 2007. I always missed them as I was not home and they just left a card with a recruiters name on it. It's safe to say that I am way too old to join the military. I have two kids in college. I tried calling the numbers to speak with this individual and they acted like they didn't know what I was talking about. Here's the one strange incident though, back in November of last year, I was sitting on my couch when on my day off, someone rang the doorbell. I peaked out of the peephole to see who it was and it was someone from the Army. I ran into the room to get my husband so he could go to the door to find out what they wanted. Same dam story...a recruiter again. Except this time I was standing behind the door listening to what this man was telling my husband. He stood there and told my husband that he had received an application and that I was attending a local community college and showed some interest in joining the Army, it was all a bunch of B.S.. My husband said to him "my wife is forty something...lol, isn't she a lil too old for you guys? Besides She didn't fill out any application". Just after my husband said this the recruiter tried to look into the house past my husband as if he was checking to see if he could spot me. In the end, he offered my husband a card and asked him if he's sure I wasn't home and if he could give me his card and contact him. Once again, I called the number which was the local recruitment office and once again...no answers...no application on file...nothing
I've been confused about these events for years now. I have wondered if it has anything to do with me asking the VA about my dad's 11 missing pages to his DD214? There's all kinds of stuff missing. When I finally received my fathers DD214 it was 6 months after he passed. We had been trying to obtain his DD214 since a year prior so my father could get his disability due to his Prostate Cancer and the Agent Orange clinics evaluation of his service while in Nam as a so called "Advisor". I don't know WTF is going on with these folks showing up at my house all the time, but now I'm becoming annoyed.
I'll continue with another post, I'm running out of room...con't
edit on 9/8/11 by ThePublicEnemyNo1 because: (no reason given)
HOWDY, " sea duty " stands for southeast asia duty, which means generally, Vietnam. As I said, your Congressman can get this info really quick for you. Once you know the road map to get this stuff, you can move along quickly. EHC 3
HOWDY, have not heard from you, therefore, this missive follows. Did you contact your CONGRESSMAN and ask for your fathers military records, OR, some confirmation he was in Vietnam assigned with Special Forces ?? As a child you have a right to a copy of the records, or the wife does. You first want to establish he was in fact in Vietnam, a simple request to your Congressman will get that info. Easy, simple steps to gather data. Ed Crosby
HOWDY, first, you should have spoken to the so called recruiter who came to your home. Maybe, just maybe they are there to brief you on what your father did in the military.. On the DD-214 right side, down about half-way, there is a block that says SEA DUTY, and it would have time in it, i.e. 1 yr. 3 mo. Sea, southeast asia. Your father could have applied for VA benefits at anytime, if he submitted a claim for disability and died while it was pending, his spouse would still be entitled to the benefits he would have received. Your paid from the date of the claim, so, if he opened claim January, and died November, he would have been owed 11 months or 10. If he waited years, still, that money would go to the spouse or someone he wanted it to go to. Your father was ENTITLED to benefits from V.A. not a hand out. If he had a BAD SPN CODE, be assured those within VA took his VA CLAIM NO: and gave it a phony name, and stole the money your father would have been allocated. A VA Claim # is a U.S. Treasury code, and Sen. Sam Ervin of Watergate Comm. discovered the codes when investigating where republician party was getting all those hundreds of millions of dollars from, the VA and money stolen from Veterans. Go to my website; veterancourtcodes.com... the codes are there. You should find out what code he had, moreover, you can send a letter to your Congressman with a copy of his DD-214 and ask what his SPN CODE is, and what it means, as well as, did he serve in Vietnam. Congressman will send it over to DOD for answer, and in about 30-45 days you will have an answer. You should have found out what the recruiter wanted. Ed Crosby watch the 90min DVD at my website.
Originally posted by godWhisperer
i truly admire the ideals america was founded on and it's too bad to see all of these alleged principles fall to the wayside in favor of filthy money or oppressive manipulation.