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Originally posted by whaaa
Dr. Paul is toast with most women now.
Even my right wing, Baptist, conservative, 75 yr mom, doesn't want some MAN telling her what she can and can't do with her body.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by eLPresidente
I think people are desperately trying to nitpick any flaws
Nitpick? And you admit these issues are "flaws" of Ron paul? Well atleast this is something for me to agree with you on. Ron Paul loses me on major issues aside from the wars and marijuana legalization. When he talks about abolishing minimum wage, removing medicare bcause it's unconstutional, when he talks about giving states absolute power over personal issues, these are not flaws that need nitpicking, I assure you.
Now that its been repeated a thousand times in this thread that Ron Paul wants to bring the power to decide back to the states, let's talk about his amendment.
Remember, Ron Paul is a congressman, he represents people!
He represents you and people with your mentality. The kind of mentality whom believes we should leave states to dictate racial, sexual and social issues. As if fascism was only a negative thing in the federal government, put it through to the state governments and it's A-ok. But I understand, the federal government doesn't give you the power to tell a woman what the hell she must do with a body, so you want your state governments to do it for you. I get it. Goldwater and his pro-segregationist buddies argued the same back in the 60's.
I'm pro-choice
No you're not. Pro-choicers believe that the hard choice of abortion for a woman, even in those unfortunate circumstances, should be left to her and her alone. It has nothing to do with the state governments, nothing to do with the federal government. You seem to have no issue willing to compromise on this and allow states to dictate, just to get Ron Paul in power. Pro-choice my ass.edit on 6-9-2011 by Southern Guardian because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ExPostFacto
I can tell you what will happen if Ron Paul gets his way. Some states will pass laws banning abortion. Other states will enact laws allowing abortion.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
I'm pro-choice and I'm for Paul.
Look a law like that never passes because the question can't be answered.
Paul doesn't agree with abortions, but he's not going to outlaw them. He will leave it up to the states and they'll decide.
Originally posted by Ittabena
reply to post by Kali74
Weak attempt bud. Yes I am for States rights. It should be up to the States. It is not the Fed's place to stick their nose into this or thousands of other matters.edit on 6-9-2011 by Ittabena because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Ittabena
reply to post by Kali74
Not the Government's place, never was, shouldn't be now. Don't know how I can put it any plainer. Ron wants to bring us back to where we are supposed to be, free. We should have never gotten away from it, and we shouldn't like the Federal meddling in our lives. Do you actually enjoy it, the meddling I mean?edit on 6-9-2011 by Ittabena because: rephrase
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by josh2009s
reply to post by Kali74
Rather, a debate on the importance of the individual states to make their own laws.
I'm sorry many states have proven their incapability of holding fundamental rights and liberties. It was 50 years ago that states dictated where you could go in your own country based on your skin colour, only 50 years ago that states dictated whom you could marry, and they still do it. It was 150 years ago when states allowed for the enslavement of millions of american citizens.
Don't talk to me about states rights. It's a BS excuse for racists and social fanatics to implement their own little places of fascism. I have my constitutional rights and the government, state and federal, can stay the hell out.
SEC. 2. FINDING AND DECLARATION.
(a) FINDING.—The Congress finds that present day scientific evidence indicates a significant likelihood that actual human life exists from conception.
(b) DECLARATION.—Upon the basis of this finding, and in the exercise of the powers of the Congress— (1) the Congress declares that—(A) human life shall be deemed to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency; and (B) the term ‘‘person’’ shall include all human life as defined in subparagraph (A); and (2)the Congress recognizes that each State has the authority to protect lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that State.
Sanctity of Life Act of 2009 - Deems human life to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency and requires that the term include all such human life. Recognizes that each state has authority to protect the lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that state .
Amends the federal judicial code to remove Supreme Court and district court jurisdiction to review cases arising out of any statute, ordinance, rule, regulation, or practice, or any act interpreting such a measure, on the grounds that such measure: (1) protects the rights of human persons between conception and birth; or (2) prohibits, limits, or regulates the performance of abortions or the provision of public funds, facilities, personnel, or other assistance for abortions.
What about each state having the right to protect a woman's authority over her own body?
Originally posted by Kali74
Originally posted by ExPostFacto
I can tell you what will happen if Ron Paul gets his way. Some states will pass laws banning abortion. Other states will enact laws allowing abortion.
How will states be able to allow abortion when Ron Paul wants to define abortion as murder? Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life Act will do just that.
Thank-you for your respectful disagreement.
I believe that should this act be passed into law that the choice of each state will essentially be whether or not to allow murder to be committed. No State, no matter how sovereign will be able to do that.
Also, that this act removes the right of an american citizen the ability to appeal to one of our branches of government.