They Stole His Body - The Hijacking of Jesus

Briefly stated: The Conspirators introduced the concept of physical resurrection to the followers of Jesus. Thus serving many goals:

1) Keep the followers subservient to the Old Testament and its "god".
2) Distract from seeing natural life as good.
3) Provide the basis for a religion of world domination, corollary to, and subservient to 1).

The conspirators are: An angel of the Lord, in appearance like lightning, with clothes white as snow, who rolled back the stone from the tomb(MT 28:2). A young man dressed in a white robe (mk16:5). Two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning(Lk 24:4). Two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been(Jn 20:12). And then, of course, the individual, whether man or angel, who posed as, or was taken to be the resurrected Jesus. So, probably three individuals involved. I'll just call them angels for this expose, since whether they are men or demons (of divine origin), they are definitely messengers(angels).

First of all, from the gospels, neither the disciples nor the women who followed Jesus from Galilee, had any expectation whatsoever that Jesus was to rise from the dead. On the dawning of that first day of the week, they fully expected to administer the customary burial spices on the dead Jesus. Second of all, no one saw Jesus come out of the tomb. They were merely told that, even though, according to Matthew 28:2-9 the two Marys actually saw the stone get moved by an angel.

The means by which the conspiracy was carried out was implantation of false memories.

Luke24:4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6 He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7 `The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.' " 8 Then they remembered his words.
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LK 24:44 He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."

And the poser even implanted in the disciples false memories of having read nonexistent scriptures.

LK 24:45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.46 He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things.

The apostle Paul also makes mention of the nonexistent scripture; he "received", without explaining how or from whom or which specific scripture he is referring to.

1CO 15:3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles,

Rather than list all the details of how the conspiracy was carried out, since any one can examine that for themselves by reading the last couple of chapters from the four canonical New Testament gospels, I will go into the purpose.

The Purpose of the Conspiracy

1) To use the life and teachings of an obviously extraordinary person in order to bolster the "authority" of the Old Testament. It should be obvious to any student of ancient mythology that without this "validation", the Old Testament would be just another book on the shelf next to Homer, Hesiod, Ovid, and etc.

2) Resurrection becomes the proof that "all men are in a lost state, and in need of redemption". Historically, there have only been offered two means of gaining said "redemption", sacrifice or hidden knowledge for escape from physical to spiritual existence.

Docetism From Wikipedia
In Christianity, docetism (from the Greek d???? dokeo, "to seem") is the belief that Jesus' physical body was an illusion, as was his crucifixion; that is, Jesus only seemed to have a physical body and to physically die, but in reality he was incorporeal, a pure spirit, and hence could not physically die.
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This belief is most commonly attributed to the Gnostics, many of whom believed that matter was evil, and as a result God would not take on a material body. This statement is rooted in the idea that a divine spark is imprisoned within the material body, and that the material body is in itself an obstacle, deliberately created by an evil, lesser god (the demiurge) to prevent man from seeing his divine origin.

What I propose then is a new Docetism. One that states that Jesus was fully human. The "seeming", the "pretend" was the fake resurrected Jesus. The Earth was not created evil by an evil lesser god. The Earth and all life came to be as the result of supreme dissolution or pouring out of a supreme being, so much so that the being does not exist as a discrete entity any more. (God is dead). Yet life itself is the gift from God, who now is not, yet lives in us.

There is no lostness that needs recovery. There is no evilness in physical existence. Existence just is. Life just is. It's natural. Life is not destroyed, it's passed on to the living, therefore the living never die.

ReincarnationFrom Wikipedia
Philosophical and religious beliefs regarding the existence or non-existence of an unchanging 'self' have a direct bearing on how reincarnation is viewed within a given tradition.

Some were materialist, holding that there was no existence and that the self is annihilated upon death.

Others believed in a form of cyclic existence, where a being is born, lives, dies and then is re-born, but in the context of a type of determinism or fatalism in which karma played no role.

Others were "eternalists", postulating an eternally existent self or soul comparable to that in Judaic monotheism: the atman survives death and reincarnates as another living being, based on its karmic inheritance.This is the idea that has become dominant (with certain modifications) in modern Hinduism.

The Buddhist concept of reincarnation differs from others in that there is no eternal "soul", "spirit' or self" but only a "stream of consciousness" that links life with life.

The reincarnation I speak of is that last one listed, the Buddhist concept.

3) Christianity which is forever linked to the Old Testament and its "god" is the perfect vehicle to enslave the world to a self appointed Lordship. The Genocidal "chooser of a race" from the Old Testament becomes the "god" of a New World Order of "the faithful" who believe that the Old Testament Messiah is sitting on a throne in heaven, and the faithful believers are a nation of priests and lords of the earth, with the duty to subjugate the rest of the world through proselytizing or force, including war and mass execution.

The world is not evil. It does not need redemption through the blood of men. It is blessed with the life of Him who is no more, for as long as life continues. You don't have to kill the world. You really don't.

reply to post by pthena


So instead of it all being bull$&%^

It must be implanted memories. Lol Obviously the only logical answer.

reply to post by Wertdagf

So instead of it all being bull$&%^

That's fine for those who can accept it. Others still need props and sets and characters acting out a drama.

Jesus was a star brother from the Pleiades. He was sent to earth to tech the people how to love and be a good person. Lots of people denied him and wanted him gone because love was hard to except back then. The bible was re written by many different people in different time frames and made Jesus look like a son from a higher power up who created us so we had something to fear and be controlled by, and most of our star brother Jesus teachings were lost. I have gained much knowledge from higher beings not from earth. They stuff they say and put together makes sense. They do tell me thoe there is something like a god but nothing we were taught here on earth as hes a more loving, cheerful, caring god. He would never punish us or look down at us with a frown. I in no way want to disrupt your belief system but i tossed it out there and its up to yo you if you want to further investigate or stay in the same conciseness mind you are in now.

Originally posted by pthena
. You don't have to kill the world. You really don't.

Amen to that!
Unfortunatly thats exactly what the psycho powers intend to do

The OP certainly has raised and introduced some creative and original thought here?
I agree God was here on earth before the Jews wrote their highly racist and bigoted tracts of propaganda, but why were we so stupid and shallow to follow?
That is what inrigues me, where are the pre biblical teachings of love and charity?
Or is the Old testament truly the word of God? perverted by power seeking Jews?
God only knows, but to follow blindly any book of man is moronic to say the least?
In thy heart is truth, look inside, God wrote the answers in every soul, every heart, every mind.

reply to post by pthena

The Lord who appeared to Abraham and Moses became human...
...He was the long expected Messiah but He did not appear as anticipated...
...the ritual sacrifices role played for fifteen hundred years...
...described prophetically what would happen to Him when He dwelt among men...
...and the Jewish people rehearsed their role in His death all this time...
...it was the biggest conspiracy of all time and Jews still can not see who He was...
...tragic!

From the Urantia book: possibly another way at looking at this situation.

The Urantia Book Paper 188 The Time of the Tomb (2012.1) 188:0.1 THE day and a half that Jesus’ mortal body lay in the tomb of Joseph, the period between his death on the cross and his resurrection, is a chapter in the earth career of Michael which is little known to us. We can narrate the burial of the Son of Man and put in this record the events associated with his resurrection, but we cannot supply much information of an authentic nature about what really transpired during this epoch of about thirty-six hours, from three o’clock Friday afternoon to three o’clock Sunday morning. This period in the Master’s career began shortly before he was taken down from the cross by the Roman soldiers. He hung upon the cross about one hour after his death. He would have been taken down sooner but for the delay in dispatching the two brigands. (2012.2) 188:0.2 The rulers of the Jews had planned to have Jesus’ body thrown in the open burial pits of Gehenna, south of the city; it was the custom thus to dispose of the victims of crucifixion. If this plan had been followed, the body of the Master would have been exposed to the wild beasts. (2012.3) 188:0.3 In the meantime, Joseph of Arimathea, accompanied by Nicodemus, had gone to Pilate and asked that the body of Jesus be turned over to them for proper burial. It was not uncommon for friends of crucified persons to offer bribes to the Roman authorities for the privilege of gaining possession of such bodies. Joseph went before Pilate with a large sum of money, in case it became necessary to pay for permission to remove Jesus’ body to a private burial tomb. But Pilate would not take money for this. When he heard the request, he quickly signed the order which authorized Joseph to proceed to Golgotha and take immediate and full possession of the Master’s body. In the meantime, the sandstorm having considerably abated, a group of Jews representing the Sanhedrin had gone out to Golgotha for the purpose of making sure that Jesus’ body accompanied those of the brigands to the open public burial pits.

1. The Burial of Jesus (2012.4) 188:1.1 When Joseph and Nicodemus arrived at Golgotha, they found the soldiers taking Jesus down from the cross and the representatives of the Sanhedrin standing by to see that none of Jesus’ followers prevented his body from going to the criminal burial pits. When Joseph presented Pilate’s order for the Master’s body to the centurion, the Jews raised a tumult and clamored for its possession. In their raving they sought violently to take possession of the body, and when they did this, the centurion ordered four of his soldiers to his side, and with drawn swords they stood astride the Master’s body as it lay there on the ground. The centurion ordered the other soldiers to leave the two thieves while they drove back this angry mob of infuriated Jews. When order had been restored, the centurion read the permit from Pilate to the Jews and, stepping aside, said to Joseph: “This body is yours to do with as you see fit. I and my soldiers will stand by to see that no man interferes.” (2013.1) 188:1.2 A crucified person could not be buried in a Jewish cemetery; there was a strict law against such a procedure. Joseph and Nicodemus knew this law, and on the way out to Golgotha they had decided to bury Jesus in Joseph’s new family tomb, hewn out of solid rock, located a short distance north of Golgotha and across the road leading to Samaria. No one had ever lain in this tomb, and they thought it appropriate that the Master should rest there. Joseph really believed that Jesus would rise from the dead, but Nicodemus was very doubtful. These former members of the Sanhedrin had kept their faith in Jesus more or less of a secret, although their fellow Sanhedrists had long suspected them, even before they withdrew from the council. From now on they were the most outspoken disciples of Jesus in all Jerusalem. (2013.2) 188:1.3 At about half past four o’clock the burial procession of Jesus of Nazareth started from Golgotha for Joseph’s tomb across the way. The body was wrapped in a linen sheet as the four men carried it, followed by the faithful women watchers from Galilee. The mortals who bore the material body of Jesus to the tomb were: Joseph, Nicodemus, John, and the Roman centurion. (2013.3) 188:1.4 They carried the body into the tomb, a chamber about ten feet square, where they hurriedly prepared it for burial. The Jews did not really bury their dead; they actually embalmed them. Joseph and Nicodemus had brought with them large quantities of myrrh and aloes, and they now wrapped the body with bandages saturated with these solutions. When the embalming was completed, they tied a napkin about the face, wrapped the body in a linen sheet, and reverently placed it on a shelf in the tomb. (2013.4) 188:1.5 After placing the body in the tomb, the centurion signaled for his soldiers to help roll the doorstone up before the entrance to the tomb. The soldiers then departed for Gehenna with the bodies of the thieves while the others returned to Jerusalem, in sorrow, to observe the Passover feast according to the laws of Moses. (2013.5) 188:1.6 There was considerable hurry and haste about the burial of Jesus because this was preparation day and the Sabbath was drawing on apace. The men hurried back to the city, but the women lingered near the tomb until it was very dark. (2013.6) 188:1.7 While all this was going on, the women were hiding near at hand so that they saw it all and observed where the Master had been laid. They thus secreted themselves because it was not permissible for women to associate with men at such a time. These women did not think Jesus had been properly prepared for burial, and they agreed among themselves to go back to the home of Joseph, rest over the Sabbath, make ready spices and ointments, and return on Sunday morning properly to prepare the Master’s body for the death rest. The women who thus tarried by the tomb on this Friday evening were: Mary Magdalene, Mary the wife of Clopas, Martha another sister of Jesus’ mother, and Rebecca of Sepphoris. (2013.7) 188:1.8 Aside from David Zebedee and Joseph of Arimathea, very few of Jesus’ disciples really believed or understood that he was due to arise from the tomb on the third day.

More from the Urantia book:

. Safeguarding the Tomb (2014.1) 188:2.1 If Jesus’ followers were unmindful of his promise to rise from the grave on the third day, his enemies were not. The chief priests, Pharisees, and Sadducees recalled that they had received reports of his saying he would rise from the dead. (2014.2) 188:2.2 This Friday night, after the Passover supper, about midnight a group of the Jewish leaders gathered at the home of Caiaphas, where they discussed their fears concerning the Master’s assertions that he would rise from the dead on the third day. This meeting ended with the appointment of a committee of Sanhedrists who were to visit Pilate early the next day, bearing the official request of the Sanhedrin that a Roman guard be stationed before Jesus’ tomb to prevent his friends from tampering with it. Said the spokesman of this committee to Pilate: “Sir, we remember that this deceiver, Jesus of Nazareth, said, while he was yet alive, ‘After three days I will rise again.’ We have, therefore, come before you to request that you issue such orders as will make the sepulchre secure against his followers, at least until after the third day. We greatly fear lest his disciples come and steal him away by night and then proclaim to the people that he has risen from the dead. If we should permit this to happen, this mistake would be far worse than to have allowed him to live.” (2014.3) 188:2.3 When Pilate heard this request of the Sanhedrists, he said: “I will give you a guard of ten soldiers. Go your way and make the tomb secure.” They went back to the temple, secured ten of their own guards, and then marched out to Joseph’s tomb with these ten Jewish guards and ten Roman soldiers, even on this Sabbath morning, to set them as watchmen before the tomb. These men rolled yet another stone before the tomb and set the seal of Pilate on and around these stones, lest they be disturbed without their knowledge. And these twenty men remained on watch up to the hour of the resurrection, the Jews carrying them their food and drink.

3. During the Sabbath Day (2014.4) 188:3.1 Throughout this Sabbath day the disciples and the apostles remained in hiding, while all Jerusalem discussed the death of Jesus on the cross. There were almost one and one-half million Jews present in Jerusalem at this time, hailing from all parts of the Roman Empire and from Mesopotamia. This was the beginning of the Passover week, and all these pilgrims would be in the city to learn of the resurrection of Jesus and to carry the report back to their homes. (2014.5) 188:3.2 Late Saturday night, John Mark summoned the eleven apostles secretly to come to the home of his father, where, just before midnight, they all assembled in the same upper chamber where they had partaken of the Last Supper with their Master two nights previously. (2014.6) 188:3.3 Mary the mother of Jesus, with Ruth and Jude, returned to Bethany to join their family this Saturday evening just before sunset. David Zebedee remained at the home of Nicodemus, where he had arranged for his messengers to assemble early Sunday morning. The women of Galilee, who prepared spices for the further embalming of Jesus’ body, tarried at the home of Joseph of Arimathea. (2014.7) 188:3.4 We are not able fully to explain just what happened to Jesus of Nazareth during this period of a day and a half when he was supposed to be resting in Joseph’s new tomb. Apparently he died the same natural death on the cross as would any other mortal in the same circumstances. We heard him say, “Father, into your hands I commend my spirit.” We do not fully understand the meaning of such a statement inasmuch as his Thought Adjuster had long since been personalized and so maintained an existence apart from Jesus’ mortal being. The Master’s Personalized Adjuster could in no sense be affected by his physical death on the cross. That which Jesus put in the Father’s hands for the time being must have been the spirit counterpart of the Adjuster’s early work in spiritizing the mortal mind so as to provide for the transfer of the transcript of the human experience to the mansion worlds. There must have been some spiritual reality in the experience of Jesus which was analogous to the spirit nature, or soul, of the faith-growing mortals of the spheres. But this is merely our opinion — we do not really know what Jesus commended to his Father. (2015.1) 188:3.5 We know that the physical form of the Master rested there in Joseph’s tomb until about three o’clock Sunday morning, but we are wholly uncertain regarding the status of the personality of Jesus during that period of thirty-six hours. We have sometimes dared to explain these things to ourselves somewhat as follows: (2015.2) 188:3.6 1. The Creator consciousness of Michael must have been at large and wholly free from its associated mortal mind of the physical incarnation. (2015.3) 188:3.7 2. The former Thought Adjuster of Jesus we know to have been present on earth during this period and in personal command of the assembled celestial hosts. (2015.4) 188:3.8 3. The acquired spirit identity of the man of Nazareth which was built up during his lifetime in the flesh, first, by the direct efforts of his Thought Adjuster, and later, by his own perfect adjustment between the physical necessities and the spiritual requirements of the ideal mortal existence, as it was effected by his never-ceasing choice of the Father’s will, must have been consigned to the custody of the Paradise Father. Whether or not this spirit reality returned to become a part of the resurrected personality, we do not know, but we believe it did. But there are those in the universe who hold that this soul-identity of Jesus now reposes in the “bosom of the Father,” to be subsequently released for leadership of the Nebadon Corps of the Finality in their undisclosed destiny in connection with the uncreated universes of the unorganized realms of outer space. (2015.5) 188:3.9 4. We think the human or mortal consciousness of Jesus slept during these thirty-six hours. We have reason to believe that the human Jesus knew nothing of what transpired in the universe during this period. To the mortal consciousness there appeared no lapse of time; the resurrection of life followed the sleep of death as of the same instant. (2015.6) 188:3.10 And this is about all we can place on record regarding the status of Jesus during this period of the tomb. There are a number of correlated facts to which we can allude, although we are hardly competent to undertake their interpretation. (2015.7) 188:3.11 In the vast court of the resurrection halls of the first mansion world of Satania, there may now be observed a magnificent material-morontia structure known as the “Michael Memorial,” now bearing the seal of Gabriel. This memorial was created shortly after Michael departed from this world, and it bears this inscription: “In commemoration of the mortal transit of Jesus of Nazareth on Urantia.” (2016.1) 188:3.12 There are records extant which show that during this period the supreme council of Salvington, numbering one hundred, held an executive meeting on Urantia under the presidency of Gabriel. There are also records showing that the Ancients of Days of Uversa communicated with Michael regarding the status of the universe of Nebadon during this time. (2016.2) 188:3.13 We know that at least one message passed between Michael and Immanuel on Salvington while the Master’s body lay in the tomb. (2016.3) 188:3.14 There is good reason for believing that some personality sat in the seat of Caligastia in the system council of the Planetary Princes on Jerusem which convened while the body of Jesus rested in the tomb. (2016.4) 188:3.15 The records of Edentia indicate that the Constellation Father of Norlatiadek was on Urantia, and that he received instructions from Michael during this time of the tomb. (2016.5) 188:3.16 And there is much other evidence which suggests that not all of the personality of Jesus was asleep and unconscious during this time of apparent physical death.

We have film footage and actual, living, eye witnesses to the 9/11 event...all the circumstantial evidence anyone could ever want...and today, 10 years later...we still can't agree on what actually happened.

Yet, we are supposed to be able to dispute the accounts of Jesus' death, entombment, and subsequent resurrection from almost 2,000 years ago.

Judging from the OP...the resurrection was staged...and done so with implanted memories...in a conspiracy of false angels and players with political and power control intent.

Hijacked by a group of apostles and followers, that as far as we know, did not acheive power and prestige...but were persecuted, executed, and exiled.

Frankly, I foind it hard to believe that a small band of peoples would do as much for such reward.... being crucified up side down, stoned to death, exiled to a Mediteranean rock, and imprisonment. Doesn't sound like a worthy payoff.

Just by human nature...why would someone do as much? Could it be for some far more noble ideal...maybe ...Faith?

I would find it easier to believe that a man called Jesus went into severe trauma and shock up on a Roman tool of torture and death...showed the signs of death...was rushed to burial as Pentecoste approached...and after the body started to heal itself...awoke.

However, I am a Christian... and my faith tells me that Jesus did die and arose.

And yes, I too have done a lot of research...the timeline of his judgement and death as well as his whole life is askew....and I think Jesus came from a wealthier family than depicted. I even believe that Pontius Pilot was aquainted with Jesus' family and that Jesus traveled extensively to the east and west Asia and India...and i believe His spirit traveled to the Americas and to all peoples... as a Savior on a spiritual realm.

What was accomplished by hijacking Jesus death and body? What did Paul or Peter or John or any of the others enjoy for their efforts? What did the false angels achieve? Much of what grew out of this movement only arose a few hundred years later..... what we call organized religion.

If anyone hijacked Jesus, it was Constantine and later the Roman Catholic Church.

reply to post by pthena
Good morning pthena,

While I don't agree with the assertion, I won't argue it altogether (and is an interesting thought, so you get a star regardless).

As to your idea itself though, I've got an issue with the thinking in point 1:

1) To use the life and teachings of an obviously extraordinary person in order to bolster the "authority" of the Old Testament. It should be obvious to any student of ancient mythology that without this "validation", the Old Testament would be just another book on the shelf next to Homer, Hesiod, Ovid, and etc.

Is it really possible that the conspirators would have considered this angle, when 'Jesus' and christianity itself were initially rejected and considered heretical to the bulk of jews & judaism (as they are to this day) and were pretty close to being stomped out both by the first century jews as well as the might of the Roman empire?

Christianity was driven underground and actively percecuted to the point of having secret meetings, coded identifiers, and the state-sanctioned murder of its adherents, while judaism itself was accepted and the jews a welcome part of the empire (somewhat, until rebellions arose).

I have to believe it's actually the counter, as Matthew presented, wheras the tanakh/old testament was used to bolster the claims & authority of 'Jesus'...but his life and actions were a far cry from the politial dominance the jews primarily expected of messiah given their situation with Rome at the time, so even that for the most part did not carry too far.

Just my thoughts on this, thanks for an interesting post even if I have to disagree with it in general.

EDIT:
On a side note, I wanted to add that I don't think anything in christianity has to do with killing the world. Although we shouldn't participate too much in its distractions or foibles (christians are generally to be in the world, but not of it), we should have no desire or perceived intent to kill it, either. I think the world is a wide and wonderous place full of beauty and the majesty of a creator...I just wish humanity didn't seem to spend so much time and effort in general seeming to try to do exactly what you seem to state christians seek, or otherwise getting so distracted with our own issues that we can't see it. Believers should be stewards of the creation, and seek to preserve it.

reply to post by unknown32

Jesus was a star brother from the Pleiades.

I didn't intend to start an intergalactic conflict over this.

its up to yo you if you want to further investigate or stay in the same conciseness mind you are in now.

My current conscious mind tells me that Jesus is one of my own Earth people. I have heard of higher consciousness, but I don't feel it carrying me away at this time.

reply to post by Dr Expired

The OP certainly has raised and introduced some creative and original thought here?

After reading the Gospel of Thomas, I realized that there is a serious gap in our current catalog of heresies. The Gnostics taught that physical existence is evil. The orthodox taught that physical existence had fallen into evil. Where oh where was the school of thought that physical existence is good?

I found it in the Gospel of Thomas. Buried with Gnostic texts. Therefore the scholars considered it Gnostic. Nothing of the sort though. Flesh and spirit joined as one is good. That's life. And there's nothing wrong with it.

In thy heart is truth, look inside, God wrote the answers in every soul, every heart, every mind.

In all of life.

reply to post by InshaAllah

his Thought Adjuster had long since been personalized and so maintained an existence apart from Jesus’ mortal being. The Master’s Personalized Adjuster could in no sense be affected by his physical death on the cross.

That certainly seems like good old Docetism.

That which Jesus put in the Father’s hands for the time being must have been the spirit counterpart of the Adjuster’s early work in spiritizing the mortal mind so as to provide for the transfer of the transcript of the human experience to the mansion worlds

This Thought Adjuster is the preexistent Word of God from Gospel of John? All the mansion worlds have a transcript now of human experience?

But there are those in the universe who hold that this soul-identity of Jesus now reposes in the “bosom of the Father,” to be subsequently released for leadership of the Nebadon Corps of the Finality in their undisclosed destiny in connection with the uncreated universes of the unorganized realms of outer space.

The entities responsible for the Urantia book can't say definitively what has become of the soul identity of Jesus but they do know all about the Nebadon Corps of the Finality. I find that quite interesting.

I don't understand why people even have to worry about 'the story' of Jesus.
I don't think it matters - I think the teachings are all that matter.
I don't even know that the teachings really matter as far as dogma goes...because they might say this or that, or there might be lost books or whatever...there is a thread that combines it all together though - and even the words don't matter -this coming from an old pagan witch, mind ye, but Jesus said "For GOD so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY"

It all speaks to compassion. I take every story about Jesus and every word he supposedly said, and I put it in my cauldron and I stir it around and all I come up with is this:

Love One Another

What else matters? That's the thing to put the effort in, that's the miracle, that's the wonder.
That's some POWERFUL magick. I can't quite work it. At least I know the spell though. Everyone else is running around trying to recite some verses and some gobblygook and worry worry worry.
Jesus was pretty clear not to do that. How'd everyone miss that?

reply to post by AlreadyGone

Judging from the OP...the resurrection was staged...and done so with implanted memories...in a conspiracy of false angels and players with political and power control intent.

Hijacked by a group of apostles and followers, that as far as we know, did not acheive power and prestige...but were persecuted, executed, and exiled.

Frankly, I foind it hard to believe that a small band of peoples would do as much for such reward.... being crucified up side down, stoned to death, exiled to a Mediteranean rock, and imprisonment. Doesn't sound like a worthy payoff.

To you then, I admit the dishonesty of my presentation. I wrote it from the perspective of a participant in the events, that is "as if it were perpetrated in real time." Textual evidence suggests that whatever the first apostles were teaching was redacted from the record.

As you know, the gospels themselves were not yet written by the time that the apostles had been executed. And yet, even after the late date in which they were written, some one found it necessary to add little paragraphs here and there, to account for the ignorance of the disciples concerning the "previously explained to the disciples" resurrection.

The reality of the situation then is that whatever the first apostles were teaching was substituted for something else, in order for the Roman Christianity to arise.

Much of what grew out of this movement only arose a few hundred years later..... what we call organized religion.

If anyone hijacked Jesus, it was Constantine and later the Roman Catholic Church.

See, we come to some agreement in the end.

Originally posted by pthena
Briefly stated: The Conspirators introduced the concept of physical resurrection to the followers of Jesus. Thus serving many goals:

1) Keep the followers subservient to the Old Testament and its "god".
2) Distract from seeing natural life as good.
3) Provide the basis for a religion of world domination, corollary to, and subservient to 1).

All three of these points are clearly not part or goals of Christianity. In fact making sure He was dead and His body in a known location would serve the first point. His resurection would not and didnt serve the establish religious order that killed Him i.e those that wanted to maintain the Old Testament way of doing things.

Certainly a resurrection story is not required as part of a philosophy for any religion with machinations toward world domination. In fact while "christianity" and its co-opters with its many forms do maintain power in this world the hard nuts and bolts of living in the real world, the cares thereof will never allow Christianity in its true form to "dominate" the world. There are many in "christianity" that have no use for it in its true nature but have forged out a "christianity" that is a useful tool for some many unrelated goals.

Originally posted by pthena

As you know, the gospels themselves were not yet written by the time that the apostles had been executed. And yet, even after the late date in which they were written, some one found it necessary to add little paragraphs here and there, to account for the ignorance of the disciples concerning the "previously explained to the disciples" resurrection.

Yes they were....the gospels were writen before the deaths of the writers. And even if you want to toss out all of the evidence that they were writen before the death of authors, there remains no evidence that they were written after the fact by unknown authors.

As far as little paragraphs added here and there, there does exist documents that are not corrupted by these small additions....which are so small as not to give them any real weight in the matter overall as they are clearly seen for what they are.

And, even if you believe the documents said to have been writen by eye witnesses to the accounts were written later by non-witnesses, it is highly improbable that all documents would be of such a nature.

reply to post by Praetorius

I have to believe it's actually the counter, as Matthew presented, wheras the tanakh/old testament was used to bolster the claims & authority of 'Jesus'...but his life and actions were a far cry from the politial dominance the jews primarily expected of messiah given their situation with Rome at the time, so even that for the most part did not carry too far.

Have you looked into the Samaritans lately? They're down to about 700 population. They aren't ruling anything. If Christianity hadn't swept the Roman empire, Judaism and its Tanach would be in the same situation. But thanks to Christianity linking itself inextricably with the Old Testament, Judaism lives. One text explains this:

EST 8:15 Mordecai left the king's presence wearing royal garments of blue and white, a large crown of gold and a purple robe of fine linen. And the city of Susa held a joyous celebration. 16 For the Jews it was a time of happiness and joy, gladness and honor. 17 In every province and in every city, wherever the edict of the king went, there was joy and gladness among the Jews, with feasting and celebrating. And many people of other nationalities became Jews because fear of the Jews had seized them.

The numbers of the Jews are ever swelled whenever worldly power is on their side. So it is today, with Christian Zionism especially in the US providing the "most favored people" status. Thanks to the Christians bringing the Old Testament into the halls of power in the governments of the world.

I don't think anything in christianity has to do with killing the world. Although we shouldn't participate too much in its distractions or foibles (christians are generally to be in the world, but not of it), we should have no desire or perceived intent to kill it, either. I think the world is a wide and wonderous place full of beauty and the majesty of a creator...I just wish humanity didn't seem to spend so much time and effort in general seeming to try to do exactly what you seem to state christians seek, or otherwise getting so distracted with our own issues that we can't see it. Believers should be stewards of the creation, and seek to preserve it.

I find it interesting that nowhere in the New Testament is there any command for one man to kill another, for any reason. Christians who want to kill always must appeal to the Old Testament to find their "authority" to kill. Maybe they should toss the New Testament away and become full on Jews.