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Originally posted by Revolution9
reply to post by mike_trivisonno
Which one of us is right? It has to be one of us, doesn't it.
Numerous official reports have been published since the Twin Towers fell, but just when a piece of evidence casts doubt on one theory, the focus then shifts to the next "unanswered question".
Which is it?
Is the US government so inept?
Or are they of such great ability and intelligence that they could pull this event off?
Gross incompetence on the part of our multi-billion dollar taxpayer funded air defense system, got it. Maybe I'm crazy, but is this not a massive contradiction?:
1. Failure to intercept the hijacked planes.....
Air traffic controller Colin Scoggins was in constant contact with the military and did not see any lack of response. There was confusion and a lack of communication between the civilian air traffic control (FAA) and the military.
2. Collapse of the Twin Towers
Yes, an extensive inquiry that did not explain the structural behavior of the towers during the collapse.
Official reports say: An extensive inquiry by the National Institute of Standards and Technology concluded that the planes severed and damaged support columns and dislodged fire-proofing.
If that much jet fuel spilled, what was the fuel source for that big explosion? I'm no expert, but common sense tells me the inital explosions were ignited by jet fuel.
Around 10,000 gallons of jet fuel were spewed over many floors starting widespread fires. Temperatures of up to 1,000C caused the floors to sag and the perimeter columns to bend, causing the sounds of "explosions".
NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC.
The initial jet fuel fires themselves lasted at most a few minutes
Their logic here is that the theory of a top-down demolition has no historical precedent, so it couldn't have occured. Using that logic I can say that the theory of a fire-caused total collapse of a skyscraper has no historical precedent, so it couldn't have occured.
Controlled demolition is always carried out from the bottom floors up, yet this collapse started at the top.
True, but NIST didn't look for evidence of explosive charges:
No evidence has ever been found of explosive charges despite the extensive hand searches and there is no evidence of any pre-cutting of columns or walls, which is routinely carried out in a controlled demolition.
Finally, NIST has stated that if found no corroborating evidence to suggest that explosives were used to bring down the buildings. NIST did not conduct tests for explosive residue and as noted above, such tests would not necessarily have been conclusive. Therefore, our requests for corrections (items f-h) are denied.
I don't like to touch this subject anymore because there's evidence backing both sides and I lean more towards the Boeing 757 side now, but Lloyd Englands interview always has me questioning it.
3. Attack on the Pentagon...
4. The fourth plane - United Airlines flight 93...
I think Flight 93 was shot down by our military after they finally got their s*** together after a day of confusion. Members of the military also strongly suggest that:
here are clear photographs showing aircraft wreckage and the cockpit voice recorder, which showed there had been a passenger revolt and the hijackers had deliberately crashed the plane.
We received a report from the FAA that Flight 93 had turned off it's transponder, had turned, and now was heading towards Washington DC. The decision was made to try to go in and intercept Flight 93...It was about 10:03 that the fighters reported that Flight 93 had crashed. --Brigadier General W Montague Winfield
From here. Wait, wait, wait, nevermind, the BBC closed the book on this one:
The words that I remember as clear as day was 'We will take lives in the air to preserve lives on the ground'...United Airlines Flight 93 will not be allowed to reach Washington DC. --Colonel Bob Marr
They say it's so, believe it or you're crazy.
In addition, the military never gave orders to the air force to shoot the commercial airliner down.
5. Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7...
"Three year investigation", it sounds so professional and legitimate! Those three years yielded the theory that a single core column failure caused the building to collapse. Here's where the fires should be in order to satisfy their theory, and here's an actual image of that area showing the fires burned out:
A three-year investigation by the National Institute of Standards and Technology concluded that the building collapsed because of uncontrolled fires, started by the collapse of the nearby North Tower, and which burnt for seven hours.
Explosive testimonies (both Twin Towers and WTC7):
No evidence has ever been found of explosive charges and there are no recordings of a series of very loud explosions that would have been expected with controlled demolition.
Yep, primer paint that's reacts when ignited, even though the paint samples tested in this paper didn't exhibit the same characteristics as these mysterious paint chips found in the dust: journalof911studies.com...
Furthermore, there is an alternative explanation for the "thermitic material" the sceptical scientists found in the dust - it is just a type of primer paint. It's calculated 1,200,000 tonnes of building materials were pulverised at the World Trade Center and most minerals are present in the dust (not necessarily in a large quantity). More extensive sampling of the dust has not found any evidence of thermite or explosives, says a report from the US Geological Survey and another from RJ Lee.
If you look at the comments on the BBC you will of course understand that most people in the world do not believe the official version.
Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
9/11 was a Jihad attack on American soil. It was an attempt to force our culture to submit to Islamic Imperialism in an effort to establish Islam across the planet as instructed by Mohammed. It was just one of many Jihad attacks that have brought down civilization after civilization.
Jihad is the conspiracy.
Originally posted by Revolution9This is quite unprecedented because this is the first time the BBC has atleast bothered to address the issue. They are even allowing people to comment. Please do comment there if you have the time.