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Originally posted by Herman
Or maybe there is no answer
Originally posted by Herman
Besides, if you truley love something, you have to restrict some of it's choices.
Or maybe there is no answer
If you love something, set it free. If it loves you, it will return.
Originally posted by Herman
I KNOW people say it's their choice. But like I said, it's not a "Choice" to go to hell if you don't believe in God. It's not knowing that God exists. We're punished for not knowing, being mis-directed even though he knowingly created us flawed!? He makes it so hard to believe, gives us free will, then punishes us if we can't accept him? (And yes, if he's all powerful then it means he could save us. If he can save us but doesn't, we're being punished)
Originally posted by Herman
Wow, that's complicated.
Originally posted by Herman
Much thanks, Raphael. You seem to have alot of knowlege on this type of thing, and your posts are always very insightful (sp?) I definately will seek answers to this; I don't want to just give up and call it quits. That verse helped me to understand that God does want us to question, and it says so in the bible. The fact that God tells us to prove things makes me have more faith that he must exist.
Originally posted by Raphael_UO
This is sort of off topic, but dbrandt gave you some advice with which I do not entirely agree. Part of my disagreement I already addressed when I said your question should be answered.
[Edited on 20-8-2004 by Raphael_UO]
Originally posted by Herman
I don't know how Hell can't be a roadblock for you. It just seems to contradict everything else in the bible. God loves us soooo much, and is all powerful. So why does he let people suffer for all eternity? It just seems like if you love something THAT much, you would still save it even if it didn't know that you existed. I understand if someone directly rejects God. Says "I know he's there, but I don't want anything to do with him." That makes sense, but what about people who just can't believe? I know some of them...they want to believe but just can't find it possible. Or people who have heard of him, but just never put too much thought about it because they didn't really have a big christian influence in their life.. Also, I wouldn't be able to bear knowing that I'm up there in heaven living the good life, then good people are at the same time being tortured, and that torture just never ending. I'll keep trying to understand. I heard one thing about Satan trying to get people for his "Army" just as God is. Maybe God doesn't have controll of us unless we believe in him? But then that would mean he's not all-powerful. Aggghhhh
[Edited on 21-8-2004 by Herman]
Originally posted by dusran
Just imagine here, could you sentence good people who don't believe in you, or even just mildly bad people, to an eternal hell? Of course not.
Originally posted by Herman
Hmmm, this is looking to me like God is saying people that know God exists, and still choose to not follow him get punished "Which knew lord's will, and prepared not himself" Also, the more wicked people are, the worse they get punished. He's also talking about the enemies of lord are the one's who parish. Again, people who really choose to go against him. This is making a little more sense to me . But then, there's that "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life..." Interesting, thanks raphael.