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U.S. Refuses Taiwan Request for New Fighter Jets-Report

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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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U.S. Refuses Taiwan Request for New Fighter Jets-Report


www.nytimes.com

TAIPEI (Reuters) - The United States has refused Taiwan's request for 66 new F-16C/D fighter jets that China warned Washington would risk inflaming tensions between the two big powers, Defense News reported, citing a Taiwan defence official.

Taiwan has repeatedly asked Washington to agree to sell the advanced F-16 fighter jets, citing the need to counter the growing military strength of China, which deems the island an breakaway province that must eventually accept reunification, by force if necessary.

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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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What to make of this … inherent reflexive weakness, ala Neville Chamberlain, in the Obama administration … an olive branch to China … China flexing its increasing influence via monetary concerns or all of the above. The article does go on to note that the US and several other countries are still legally obliged to defend the island if it comes to a conflict but laws are ignored when there are no consequences. China certainly hasn’t been very restrained in selling its own military technology to countries we’d rather they didn’t from Pakistan to Iran so why do we offer them a courtesy they don’t seem willing to extend.

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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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Its kinda of odd, America normally likes to support Taiwan... Hope they are not going to leave them dead in the water for the Chinese to take when they want to..



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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Be an Allie of America, ... few decades down the line, you are suddnly on the Axis of Evil list , or abandoned when the crunch comes.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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With the debt ceiling raised, USA needs to create jobs fast.

Selling arms to allies whom are only seeking to defend themselves is conscionable, more so with a belligerant China now flexing its muscles hard in the Pacific. If USA doesnt sell, many of those smaller states will eventually buy from elsewhere anyway - Russia, Belgium, France, England, Israel, etc. They do have the money to buy.

Better that americans have jobs in factories now serving a defensive need rather than later having jobs in the battlefield defending unarmed or misarmed allies against China.

Taiwan is a sovereign nation anyway. What right does China have to deny another nation its right to arm and defend themselves, the way China itself had armed much more alarmingly and rapidly undenied by any other nation, even its neighbours? Does China rules the world that the world must bow, kneel and grovel to its every whims?

If China wants a fight, then we must not back down. Either we stand up together to tyranny or tyranny will only stand on us eventually. Standing up to bullies is the ONLY way to make bullies stand down, to peacefully seek for solutions rather than war.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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what we give them now could end up in chinese hands down the line.

smart move by the US imo.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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Well well well, the good old USA is starting to learn how to bend over and lube up, it seems it's sinking in that you're not the only big kid on the block any more.
Welcome to the real world, your government will have to learn real diplomacy rather than the gunboat diplomacy that it's been using for the last couple of decades.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 02:09 PM
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I make this as another strategic ally stabbed in the back and kicked to the curb. Obama is utterly destroying our standing and credibility with any other nation in the world like this. Perhaps a change in Taiwan policy IS logical at this point...but how about that come as a deliberate process of careful change to a policy, not a snap decision Taiwan learns when it comes to the counter to order some more of what it's always gotten before without hassle.

I wonder if Beijing views this betrayal as a passing thing and more U.S. garbage...or if they start seeing the retaking of Taiwan as a serious option we can be counted on to stay out of. God help the Taiwanese if reunification happens THAT way....no one else on Earth will be able to.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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Taiwan is being handed back.

Just as the UK handed back Hong Kong, America is now handing back Taiwan.

America will do the same come South Korea with North Korea when they no longer need them.

It is all Choreographed.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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We always knew we'd be handing back Hong Kong, we got it from China on a 99 year lease, and when your lease is up with no renewal you have to move out



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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we are not going to risk war with china over Taiwan, not when we need to defend South Korea. Selling arms to a disobedient child will be a slap in face to china, we have done that enough.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by yellowbeard
We always knew we'd be handing back Hong Kong, we got it from China on a 99 year lease, and when your lease is up with no renewal you have to move out


Same for Northern Ireland, except they extended their lease lol

What we are seeing here is the beginning of a withdrawl of America from those countries.

Let's hope we see more American base closures around the world, especially in Europe.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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The EU sold Taiwan down the river last decade by refusing to sell them any diesel electric subs and I dont know if they have had any luck in talking India into selling them any as India liscens much of the technology from France and Spain.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 02:36 PM
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These are the facts:

1: Taiwan will, at some point, return to Chinese rule. They will allow Taiwan to be self governing.
2: NATO does not have the strength for a straight up fight with China, it is unthinkable.
3: There WILL be a trade deal done with the US, the Chinese will give up North Korea and the US will give up Taiwan.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:20 PM
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What did you expect?

Obama began secret negotiations with Iran even before he was sworn-in, refused to provide radar and missile-defense systems to the the Czech Republic and Poland, abandoned the Iranian opposition in the run-up to their elections, allowed North Korea to continue development of nuclear arms and attack South Korea, has been negotiating with the Taliban while they murder our soldiers and allies, delivers military weapoms to Mexican drug cartels (who murder our CBP and DEA agents).

Barack Obama is devoted to the destruction of our valuable alliances, while catering to nations and regimes that want to see our destruction.

His "foreign policy" can be summed up in two words: capitulation and appeasement.

jw
edit on 15-8-2011 by jdub297 because: sp



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:23 PM
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U.S. Refuses Taiwan Request for New Fighter Jets


I hate politics but... this seems typical of Obama, who has no interest in forwarding this nation's interests anywhere...



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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so that means china will now NOT get involved in syria in any way, shape or form when the US or NATO decide to attack....

politics...



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:47 PM
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Turkey warned the Syrian foreign minister today that the attacks "must stop."

Turkey is one of our only Middle East allies. China aligns with Syria.

What happens next?



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 11:02 PM
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+100000 my friend. Exactly what this is. Big boy politics.


Originally posted by RizeorDie
so that means china will now NOT get involved in syria in any way, shape or form when the US or NATO decide to attack....

politics...



posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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Both China and Russia made deals with NATO, they allowed NATO to attack and take over Libya, instead they get something.The question was always, "what?" I'm thinking China asked to stop armingTaiwan. Still waiting for Russia? What is Russia getting this Christmas from NATO Santa. I was thinking Georgia? Or maybe the Missile Shield?




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