Originally posted by kro32
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by kro32
Well I will have to disagree with a couple of issues though perhaps not with your ideology. It is not possible to have an effective military who
thinks for themselves or questions orders.
Effective at what? Killing?
The Nazis were incredibly effective at killing. And they didn't question orders either.
Thus, the problem.
Yes that is what I mean by effective. That is what war is about after all and you've kind of proved my point by referencing the Nazi's. You must
follow orders to be effective and if you have people that are allowed to question orders and pick and choose what actions they want to take you will
not have an army that is effective at killing.
This is what military's do and why they are created.
George Washington said it very well when his soldiers were deserting and the war looked like it would be lost. He said, "You can fight a war for
independence but independence cannot win a war"
“My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth.” -George Washington
“Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.” -George Washington
“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force…Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.” -George Washington
“Wars are not paid for in wartime, the bill comes later.” -Benjamin Franklin
“A people free to choose will always choose peace.” -Ronald Reagan
“I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.” -Dwight D. Eisenhower
We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.” -Dwight D.
“War…is as much a punishment to the punisher as to the sufferer.” -Thomas Jefferson
A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.
All war is deception.
All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers.
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those
who are cold and are not clothed.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.” -George Orwell
“What is absurd and monstrous about war is that men who have no personal quarrel should be trained to murder one another in cold blood.” -Aldous
“A man who says that no patriot should attack the war until it is over…is saying no good son should warn his mother of a cliff until she has
fallen.” -G.K. Chesterton
“We have guided missiles and misguided men.” -Martin Luther King, Jr.
I'm fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in.
If it's natural to kill, how come men have to go into training to learn how?
Man has no right to kill his brother. It is no excuse that he does so in uniform: he only adds the infamy of servitude to the crime of murder.
Percy Bysshe Shelley
Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.
John F. Kennedy
Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime.
Older men declare war. But it is the youth that must fight and die.
Only the dead have seen the end of the war.
Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war that we know about peace, more about killing that we know about living.
Omar N. Bradley
Patriots always talk of dying for their country and never of killing for their country.
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.
George S. Patton
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
War would end if the dead could return.
When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die.
You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake.
“The most successful war seldom pays for its losses.” -Thomas Jefferson
“Governments constantly choose between telling lies and fighting wars, with the end result always being the same. One will always lead to the
other.” -Thomas Jefferson
It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.