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Originally posted by LifeIsEnergy
When I say the word “love”, the phonic tones of my voice travel from my mouth to your ears and you begin to search through your memories in order to give this sensation meaning. Depending on your previous experiences associated with this word, maybe happy memories arise or maybe sad memories arise. Either way, you associate what I have said with what it is your memories have reminded you of. So then have you actually listened to me or have you merely evoked memories associated with this structure of sound? Please think about this deeply, it is truly important to clarify these things.
All of our use of language seems to work in this way. In fact, it seems all of our five senses work in this way. When we see something; for instance our spouse or child or friend, do we actually see them or do we merely evoke memories associated with these sights? What about with the sensation of smelling? Do we actually smell the flower or do we merely evoke memories associated with this smell?
I ask these questions because I wonder if our desire to give meaning to all that we experience inhibits us from actually seeing, smelling, hearing, or feeling the nature of reality as it truly is. I wonder if this desire to attach meaning to all of our experiences is locking us into a rigid and limited systematic pattern of how we perceive these phenomena. If so, then the very thing that most of us associate as empowering and liberating, being conceptual knowledge, is in fact a form of bondage. Is this then not a tremendously disturbing paradox? It is like a man trying to dig himself out of a grave by digging downwards, all while continuously tossing the dirt back onto his head; he is then in fact only burying himself deeper in the grave.
Originally posted by LifeIsEnergy
reply to post by IntegratedInstigator
And why did you fall in "love" with your spouse, why were you attracted to them, was it because she/he evoked previous memories within you that were pleasant? Or was it because you truly saw her/him as she/he truly is without being influenced by any memories of previous experiences that you might of been able to associate towards them?
Originally posted by IntegratedInstigator
reply to post by smithjustinb
Hasnt materialism always been intrinsic to us (and not only us, other species too)? Thousands of years ago egyptians used gold as currency, native americans used wampum (sea shells?). Anyways my point is that currency implies trade, which in turn implies a sense of materialism. (You have to OWN something to trade it.)
*Other species materialism. Dont crows (or ravens?) tend to collect shiny things? Arent many carnivores possessive over their kills? (random species displaying want for a material item).
**Lastly, higher cognitive function would understand that amassing material wealth would enforce power over other material beings. To invoke currency, one has to establish the NON-material worth of a material item (such as gold, shells, etc).
***Im not sure what side I am arguing for, but merely being an instigator as per my username, my questions are honestly curious.
I dont mean to start fights, I just play 'devils advocate' by nature
Cool thread though!