The Norway massacre and the question nobody cares to ask

Originally posted by smallpeeps

Originally posted by amy2x
He was programed to Kill. They just said the code word and he willingly gave himself up.

Yes. But the subject is taboo, the idea of drugging and raping so as to create a fractured human with multiple personalities. These subjects are more painful than discussing murder, you see? This disease, is global, and deep, and generational. The dis-ease I speak of, is when we are hurt internally, and that hurt is directed externally, like this shooter. The trigger, was his only outlet for all that has been done to him. Eventually we will have to take a good honest look at ourselves, the human race.

As some kind of tiny-step forward toward a painful mountain of globo-shame, I suggest a national and global discussion of the book "A Fractured Mind: My Life with Multiple Personality Disorder" by Robert B. Oxnam. I have said this elsewhere in the Internet. We need to remove the shills who won't let the discussion about fractured minds proceed. These MK kids are now adults and they are drug and info couriers and assassins. It is time to stop being children, all you so called "adults".

"A Fractured Mind: My Life with Multiple Personality Disorder" by Robert B. Oxnam

edit on 25-7-2011 by smallpeeps because: link fix

There are some traumas, that last for generations. I've plotted one that essentially ran this course you've outlined in one of my direct family lines.

Literally, I plotted it out. You can follow the the extent of the trauma inflicted for 6 generations. You can literally see the damage and how it unfolds. How it continues to have some hold, with destructive power that haunts people, when they try to fix their personal traumas only to never be able to fix the original trauma long gone that they never lived through.

It was an idea I originally adopted from "The Dance of Anger." When I started putting the details down, the ones people ignore, as we found them, the true scope was....mind-boggling.

Your view about how destructive this stuff is isn't wrong. You may be underestimating it. When you consider what I'm suggesting, and realize that forms of this trauma-model have been institutionalized previously and then inflicted on many peoples to destroy their cultures, and wipe them out, the immense scope of this evil is almost beyond comprehension.

However - I doubt that Breivik has had any of this done to him.

I do suggest that people with interests have Handled him. Encouraging, manipulating, using his clear psychological issues around his family and his self-loathing to pull him in, and push him the right way.

reply to post by PerfectAnomoly


Yeah but i've been seeing different numbers everywhere and even that link you posted has inconsistencies.
It says 76 but says it only includes 3 of the 7 bombing victims.

It's weird.

sniff,,snif,,,i smell an OSWALD comming,,anyone else?

On his way too Court?

Originally posted by Aeons
However - I doubt that Breivik has had any of this done to him.

I do suggest that people with interests have Handled him. Encouraging, manipulating, using his clear psychological issues around his family and his self-loathing to pull him in, and push him the right way.

Personally, I think he may have been more than "handled."

Right now, I'm reading '"The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave" by Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler. It's very interesting, but heavy on the psychology. I don't have my degree in psych, so I do find it a bit hard to understand, technically.

But this massacre seems like the whole programming deal. For instance,

a) The amount of casualties he was able to inflict (really, by himself?)
b) His odd surrender
c) His oddly-timed online presence, not long before the massacre
d) His photos totally look photoshopped

This is just my opinion, based on what I have managed to read and understand about mind control.

Originally posted by SevenStarrz
Right now, I'm reading '"The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave" by Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler. It's very interesting, but heavy on the psychology. I don't have my degree in psych, so I do find it a bit hard to understand, technically.

There needs to be more investigation, but part of me thinks its hopeless. There are just too many obstacles within each single human. Too much intertia with the human race, to overcome, to get these matters looked into properly, by someone other than the worthless TV talking heads.

Anyway, Fritz Springmeyer is out of jail (trumped up BS) and I heard he had subsequently been rolled up by some local PD but not sure. Do not expect any ICANN registered domain registrant or their employees/allies/enemies to participate in this matter, their job is to stay silent, and they do it well, except for the occasional shill they send into these threads.

In truth, we should also consider Marion Knox as well as Fritz. Knox also has something to say about these theories, but also this is an area where shills and nihilists can easily sidetrack discussion. Knox claims Fritz may be less than honest, perhaps he himself is a multiple. Knox points out inconsistencies. I feel the whole subject is a bit too hot to touch, so it lends itself to mockery and shillery.

Also you may as well include the "Frater616" final deathbed letter where he explains a Satanic global scheme. Not sure if such investigations would result in anything, personally I feel these people will eventually lose their information-seal. I feel children will speak out before acting out, that is my hope, that people like this guy can get help quicker. But it will take a huge gut check on the part of humanity. I personally doubt it's doable.

If the human race, across all languages and borders and class lines, can somehow sidestep the UN and find out what's really going on in the halls of power, and in these secret covens, then perhaps light can shine in, and light has a healing and integrating effect, usually. But we are outnumbered 10000 to 1 by the silent who are on the sidelines of these issues. So this is only a discussion for the brave and strong, as we bear the cowards on our backs.

One interesting thing is that Knox, though not a Catholic, says that he has cured MPD or "demon possession" by using a simple communion ritual. So I think perhaps he is onto something. And I honestly feel that when this all gets understood, we will find that the simple act of communion, heals many things. I do not feel that belief in church or Pope is part of it, I think it has to do with the power of the deep unconscious self to heal itself if it takes a healing pill (the symbolic wafer) which symbolizes the essence of Christ. I must say I have never been to mass let alone communion, but I do believe these "casters out of demons" are in many cases dealing with MPD alter personas, and I think there is a trance/hypnosis element to this healing or casting out. I do not know how it works, other than how trance states can also be used to perform painless surgery without anesthetic. Somehow, through belief, I do feel that the fragmented person can be healed. That is the point I have continually and repeatedly made here at ATS and elsewhere.

reply to post by smallpeeps


Thanks! I'm certainly not as knowledgeable on this subject as you are, I have only just started reading the book, and am fascinated by it, really very interesting. I will check out all that you mention in your post!

reply to post by SevenStarrz


The photos looked odd to me as well.

I have seen photos debunked in the past by checking for layers in Photoshop.

I'm not sure if that could be applied in this case or not.

Originally posted by johncarter
This guy just massacred over 90 ppl. Not a chance he would just hand over himself alive to the police. The sentence for terrorist acts in Norway is 21 years minimum!

I do believe in Norway the sentance for murder or mutiple murder carries a MAXIMUM 21 year prison term, meaning that unless they deem him to be mentally insane, then he can be out in 21 years, possibly less. I do believe if they take the 'Insane' route then they can hold him on some kind of mental act charge. I saw today his lawyer was attempting to get him to claim insanity, he was having none of it.

Perhaps that is also a reason he gave himself up, knowing the maximum 21 year stretch, personnally I believe he will never be free as they will find away to keep him in the slammer, even still its a loop hole he believes he can explout to one day be free

Originally posted by FusionInFL
reply to post by SevenStarrz

 

The photos looked odd to me as well.

I have seen photos debunked in the past by checking for layers in Photoshop.

I'm not sure if that could be applied in this case or not.

I'm not very proficient at photoshop ... but I will try and see if I can look at the photos and figure it out, tomorrow.

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most boyscout camps i been do have fire power or at least bows arrows and 22.s but norway dosent realy have anywhere near the same mentality as the usa

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Already did that in another thread.

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The question I have is with the palestinians about to announce statehood in sept. could this have something to do with the Oslo accords? I have not heard that mentioned anywhere. Im not an expert on the subject but seems like something is awry imo

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Wow, thanks for doing all that work! And thank you for the info, I was positive that the images were photoshopped.

could be bogus, could be informing.

reply to post by SevenStarrz


They are real pictures, they have just been opened and edited lightly in photoshop as are most images by most photographers.

Backgrounds changed, things lightened.
Like the picture in your avatar.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by SevenStarrz

 

They are real pictures, they have just been opened and edited lightly in photoshop as are most images by most photographers.

Backgrounds changed, things lightened.
Like the picture in your avatar.

I'm not sure what you mean by "real pictures." Why are they all on a white background. That's what mainly bothers me. And at least two of them look very odd to me, proportionally. Almost as if his head were pasted onto different bodies. But, I could be imagining it.

What I find typical is that there wasn't any people in the government buildings, hardly any! They always seem to remove themselves from the place (as with 911, the big fish weren't even there). There's a unique video of a guy mobile filming inside the buildings, and there's nobody in there, no dead people, nothing. And this terrorist had planned this for 9 years, and cannot find a time where there's people inside, governing our country? it is vacation time, and four thirty in the afternoon. Of course our prime minister were nowhere near his office at that time. Wouldn't he have picked a better time, if wanting most the gov's dead? AND, he couldn't seem to get the timing on the Utøya right either. He wanted to kill our land mother (land murderer as he said) Gro Harlem, our bigest state minister ever, but she had left just before he came. Wow, I must say. And another big huge figure was supposed to come later, but he missed that one too. Hello. If this is a conspiracy it must be really big, really detailedly planned etc. Video link. Later in it he checks the offcies, why are they ALL gone? building after bomb

Originally posted by Veroniqueh
What I find typical is that there wasn't any people in the government buildings, hardly any! They always seem to remove themselves from the place (as with 911, the big fish weren't even there). There's a unique video of a guy mobile filming inside the buildings, and there's nobody in there, no dead people, nothing. And this terrorist had planned this for 9 years, and cannot find a time where there's people inside, governing our country? it is vacation time, and four thirty in the afternoon. Of course our prime minister were nowhere near his office at that time. Wouldn't he have picked a better time, if wanting most the gov's dead? AND, he couldn't seem to get the timing on the Utøya right either. He wanted to kill our land mother (land murderer as he said) Gro Harlem, our bigest state minister ever, but she had left just before he came. Wow, I must say. And another big huge figure was supposed to come later, but he missed that one too. Hello. If this is a conspiracy it must be really big, really detailedly planned etc.

Video link. Later in it he checks the offcies, why are they ALL gone? building after bomb

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I did not read it in his manifesto, but I believe the bomb in downtown Oslo was only a decoy for his primary target on the island. This primary target was more politically correct for him because of his aversion to the education of the children by the Labour Party on "multiculturalism".It would have been ideal for him if the government building was full to its maximum occupancy, but fortunately this didn't happen.

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As others and I have said before in another thread; 21 years (16 with good behavior) is for "Normal" criminals - killing someone in an armed robbery etc.

Murderers that are not likely to be rehabilitated in prison; psychos, multiple killings, etc. get something called preventive detention - a period replacing or being added to a prison sentence - for reasons of public safety.
It's normally renewed for periods of ten years...

Originally posted by SevenStarrz

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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They are real pictures, they have just been opened and edited lightly in photoshop as are most images by most photographers.

Backgrounds changed, things lightened.
Like the picture in your avatar.

I'm not sure what you mean by "real pictures." Why are they all on a white background. That's what mainly bothers me. And at least two of them look very odd to me, proportionally. Almost as if his head were pasted onto different bodies. But, I could be imagining it.

They are all in a white background, because that is how Breivik providing them. He dieted, put make up on, staged the photos and then prettied them up for use by media.

They are both staged, and photoshopped - by Breivik. So that the media would use spread an attractive image rather than a dough boy image of him.