French Armour, English Longbowmen, Agincourt.. EU Rewriting History!

In a recent experiment it has been shown that French armour denied the French victory at Agincourt, however their armour was the best quality from Milan.

And there was 60000 French on their home soil against 3000 half starved and diseased Englishmen whose Longbowmen would have won the battle regardless.

Even though sick and out numbered the English destroyed a 6 to 1 force of Frenchmen who were healthy, well armed and equipt yet was defeated on their own soil by the equivilant of the English chav or American redneck, and not noble knights that the French thrown at us.

Why is this important?

Because history is being re wrote by the EU to make a politically correct history lesson.

As an Englishman this is a profound insult and afront to my culture and history.

It will not stand!
BS Linky

im english and if its saying that 3000 of our men beat 60000 french how is that an insult?

makes us look preety damm good if you ask me

I agree, If anything this makes us look even better.

Why get worked up at the French again? You both have the Muslims to worry about now.

reply to post by CrankyPantsUK

In a recent experiment it has been shown that French armour denied the French victory at Agincourt, however their armour was the best quality from Milan.

I thought it was a well known fact that the Armour played a major part in the victory, and it had nothing to do with the quality. There had been heavy rain before the battle and the ground was boggy, as a result the French (with their heavy armour) were slow and less nimble.

They had the numerical advantage but we had the tactical advantage and utilised it.

I really do not see a "Euro" conspiracy here... but then i am not an expert and am just going from my memory.

Peace

Originally posted by gremlin2011
im english and if its saying that 3000 of our men beat 60000 french how is that an insult?

makes us look preety damm good if you ask me

They have done scientific experiments with French armour that suggests they would have won.

They are trying to rewrite history to fit the EU agenda of a superstate.

They are trying to further anul the English into history, alongside the celts and gauls.,

The post mortem of us English is wrong

Our death has been greatly exagerated,

reply to post by CrankyPantsUK


suggests they shud of won but they didnt we did

and as for watching out for muslims when the time come we'll do the same to them

I saw this same report, and I agree that at first it smacks of the Europhiles trying to degrade history, and explain away the complete and utter destruction of french nobility by English longbowmen, on the ENGLISH land of France.

But look at it this way, they got modern men to don the armour and run on a treadmill, tested blood O2 levels, and then made excuses that the French Knights had to march in knee deep mud for days and then fight. My words. SO what!!

What it shows is the arrogance and tactical ineptidude of the French commanders, in facing this battle, and the genius of King Henry, if fighting from a strong position of defence

If the French had been clever they would have rested their men before the attack, however it has been shown that they were more interested in gaining ransom from the capture of nobles, and so charged headlong (slowly it seems) into a wooded culvert, and got hammered by English arrows

So in the end I don't care if they try to "re-write" our history, they cannot change the fact that the French on that of St Crispin took a damn good kicking, six of the best trousers down!

That will never change.

Agincourt

KING. What's he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more methinks would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.'
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by CrankyPantsUK

 

In a recent experiment it has been shown that French armour denied the French victory at Agincourt, however their armour was the best quality from Milan.

I thought it was a well known fact that the Armour played a major part in the victory, and it had nothing to do with the quality. There had been heavy rain before the battle and the ground was boggy, as a result the French (with their heavy armour) were slow and less nimble.

They had the numerical advantage but we had the tactical advantage and utilised it.

I really do not see a "Euro" conspiracy here... but then i am not an expert and am just going from my memory.

Peace

Crankypants by name but as a student of military history and a sociology I have to say that our history is indeed being rewrote for the uneducated masses of the EU to accept their influence

This is the start of propaganda

A little bit hear, and there until the truth is obscured by fiction.

Take heart CPUK. And know that as long as there are people in our land such as you and I, there the deeds of our Heros, no matter the words of others, Those deeds shall never go unremembered.

Our culture, YES English Culture is safe from the world cup flag waving masses. Our history in its more that 3000 year length shall continue to be passed from generation to generation.

Derision and scorn poured on those that cast accusation of racism on the banner of St George, Mirth at those they would talk us down. But more importantly, talk of your heritage with pride, and never let any man put you asunder.

We know the deeds, and knowing these makes us stronger. pick up your shield and take your spear, and chariot of fire. Never forget, this is not called the sacred Ilse for nothing.

This in its heart, truely is "gods" country for there is none like it.

Originally posted by JakiusFogg
I saw this same report, and I agree that at first it smacks of the Europhiles trying to degrade history, and explain away the complete and utter destruction of french nobility by English longbowmen, on the ENGLISH land of France.

But look at it this way, they got modern men to don the armour and run on a treadmill, tested blood O2 levels, and then made excuses that the French Knights had to march in knee deep mud for days and then fight. My words. SO what!!

What it shows is the arrogance and tactical ineptidude of the French commanders, in facing this battle, and the genius of King Henry, if fighting from a strong position of defence

If the French had been clever they would have rested their men before the attack, however it has been shown that they were more interested in gaining ransom from the capture of nobles, and so charged headlong (slowly it seems) into a wooded culvert, and got hammered by English arrows

So in the end I don't care if they try to "re-write" our history, they cannot change the fact that the French on that of St Crispin took a damn good kicking, six of the best trousers down!

That will never change.

Agincourt

KING. What's he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more methinks would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.'
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

Every Englishman should read that aloud to himself every day!

Although from Henry the 5th, truth be told that any Englishman worth his salt will be uplifted by it.

The truth


That which the damned EU would wish to rid us of!

Originally posted by JakiusFogg
Take heart CPUK. And know that as long as there are people in our land such as you and I, there the deeds of our Heros, no matter the words of others, Those deeds shall never go unremembered.

Our culture, YES English Culture is same, from the world cup flag waving masses. Our history in its more that 3000 year length shall continue to be passed from generation to generation.

Derision and scorn poured on those that cast accusation of racism on the banner of St George, Mirth at those they would talk us down. But more importantly, talk of your heritage with pride, and never let any man put you asunder.

We know the deeds, and knowing these makes us stronger. pick up your shield and take your spear, and chariot of fire. Never forget, this is not called the scared Ilse for nothing.

This in its heart, truely is "gods" country for there is none like it.

Bloody right!

They're looking for a new date for a Public Holiday.

I vote we should start a campaign in England to have October 25 Designated.

Why not the Frogs have Bastille day!

So why not Crispy frog day!??

Originally posted by JakiusFogg
They're looking for a new date for a Public Holiday.

I vote we should start a campaign in England to have October 25 Designated.

Why not the Frogs have Bastille day!

So why not Crispy frog day!??

edit on 20/7/2011 by JakiusFogg because: (no reason given)

Im sure they will find that hitler was indeed just some boheimian corporal and the Yanks will just have to deal with that, the Jews too hey?

They are dumb enough to think that is ok and will in no doubt enforce EU unity with baloons and flags, even though they will be the first in line on a re-run of the historical French revolution massacre of the elites lol

(Mods, this is historically pertinent)

reply to post by JakiusFogg


It certainly is

Oh No

You will be telling me next that the Americans and not the British captured the 'enigma' machine in WW2.....or was that how the film version went ??

PDUK

reply to post by CrankyPantsUK


Wasn't he Austrian? but then again so Is Schwarzenegger!!!

and that guy how lock his daughter in the cellar.

What does that tell you??

Don't trust Austrians!

Except Bruno, he's Jewish really, but also from Khazakstan

Originally posted by CrankyPantsUK
They have done scientific experiments with French armour that suggests they would have won.

No, it suggests that the French were better equipped for a specific type of battle, but it was the wrong type.

They are trying to rewrite history to fit the EU agenda of a superstate.

Where is the lie?

Originally posted by CrankyPantsUK
Crankypants by name but as a student of military history and a sociology I have to say that our history is indeed being rewrote for the uneducated masses of the EU to accept their influence

Sorry for asking and for the off-topic, but is it "is indeed being rewrote" or "is indeed being rewritten"? That got me a little confused.

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


U157 wasn't it

MWAH AH HA HA HAA!!

Goodish film just out, "Age of Heros"

Not a yank in sight.

End is crap though