Police: Internet providers must keep user logs

Police: Internet providers must keep user logs

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Law enforcement representatives are planning to endorse a proposed federal law that would require Internet service providers to store logs about their customers for 18 months, CNET has learned.
The National Sheriffs' Association will say it "strongly supports" mandatory data retention during Tuesday's U.S. House of Representatives hearing on the topic.

Michael Brown, sheriff in Bedford County, Va., and a board member and executive committee member of the National Sheriffs' Association, is planning to argue that a new law is necessary because Internet providers do not store customer

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I know that this is happening already. They just are putting it into the open for other agencies to utilize the logs.
Remember that there is a log of everything you do on the internet.
Prospective employer’s data mine this stuff all the time.

I wonder if this type of info would be available to your average police officer during a traffic stop or something just as mundane.

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I wonder if this is because people are waking up via the interwebs to the reality of our last hijacked century.

The SOB Woodrow Wilson and House knew of the momentous great betrayal.

Info is powerful and the puppet strings are making more and more appearences

Expect to see open proxy servers (like tor and such) to be used a lot now.

To agree to this means you believe every single person in law enforcement, and internet providers are honorable and trustable people whom would never leak out your online habits for whatever reason.

This is bad.

reply to post by SaturnFX


I agree, but how long till there will be a law that forbids all proxies?

I am amazed they haven't been able to crack down Usenet, so it gives me some hope for the future, maybe openweb is the future, a lot of us have bandwidth we rarely or never use anyway.

www.speedtest.net...

GM

next police will say "information can and will be used against you in the court of law, with or without your consent" it will never be used for your defense. only to condemn you.

I have a Prediction:

Someone will get shot in the future during a traffic stop because the rookie cop who pulled the guy over saw that he frequented ATS and thought he had a conspiracy nutcase on his hands.

When he asks for license and registration he will use that as his defense saying he thought he was going for a gun, rather than his wallet.

Truthfully, I hope this doesn’t happen as I overall like Cops, but there are idiots and bad apples amongst them.

I can pretty much guarantee that all ISPs have tracked user usage since the internet began.

Bad news of course, but cmon, wouldn't you if you were an ISP ceo?

reply to post by Grey Magic


That would be pretty hard because they couldn't track you down

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This proposed federal law has not yet taken it's final form. The Department of Justice is still fighting about the exemption for wireless systems.

This is all being propelled forward over the Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011.

There ought to be a word for the use of a noble and rightful cause to excuse a generally repressive and chilling law.... (fascism?)

At any rate, it is true that it is logical to retain records, and I fault no ISP for doing so, law or no. However the automatic access to what is proving to be law enforcement's increasingly aggressive and poorly executed 'hunting' strategy (which the law enforcement community seems to gleefully endorse) will inevitably lead to the abuses and violation which leave the citizens (who are supposed to benefit from it) with less liberty and more intrusion. Notice how's these legislatorial initiatives rarely include oversight and consequences for those who go on 'fishing expeditions' within the record...

It's like there's no such thing as a medium ground which includes oversight and accountability for those who's success is measured in criminal convictions.

Every year we are becoming more and more a nation of presumed criminals, upon whom the onus is to prove one's innocence; because they have justified universal scrutiny on anyone who has little to no political relevance.

Yes child pornography needs to be eliminated. Perhaps we should all have our eyes gouged out at birth to avoid the future crimes they obviously believe we all are inclined to commit.

Originally posted by TDawgRex


I know that this is happening already. They just are putting it into the open for other agencies to utilize the logs.
Remember that there is a log of everything you do on the internet.
Prospective employer’s data mine this stuff all the time.

I wonder if this type of info would be available to your average police officer during a traffic stop or something just as mundane.

news.cnet.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

We dont and wont have access to that info on a traffic stop. It would have nothing to do with the person we are dealing with, and would have nothing to do with speeding / dwi / reason for the stop.


This is a bad idea dn needs to be stopped.

over sea's dialup service.

proxy.

neighbor.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Yeah, then they will just pass laws to either ban or govern Proxies.

A never ending spiral I'm afraid.

Didn't the Patriot Act already do that?

"We are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act, and it is possible that all that information could be made available to the authorities." - Eric Schmidt, Google CEO

"If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place." - Eric Schmidt, Google CEO

Google Sharing Proxy

TOR and Proxy servers might be a good defense.


Also if you dial into your DSL modem you can see a "Web activity log"

Learn to use TOR. It is simple enough and you can protect your privacy. Privacy is a right. Nothing minimalist about this post.

Well Casey Anthony is a free person apparently even though they found websites on her PC where she was looking up chloroform, which connected her to the murder yet there was no physical evidence of committing wrong doing. Hmmmmmmmm yeah... I'm not worried scare tactics are a mother******.

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I meant to say in the future, if police would have access. Sorry 'bout that.

But yep, this has "trouble" stamped all over it.

Do you not remember the AT&T Big Brother computer? This is already something they use to keyword search data as they hunt for potential terrorist threats. I can guarantee you that 100% of your digital life, be it online or cellular or even your touchtone phone at home, is stored somewhere for a period of time by every Ma Bell on the market. Regardless of their sharing policy with corporations or the government, the data is still copied and stored for later use.