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Originally posted by Jamuhn
So, why do they/you? What do you do in the masons that you cannot do alone?
Do you discuss something in Masonry that us "common folk" wouldn't understand?
Honestly, I see masonry like a frat, theoretically you're there to do good things for the community, but in the end, you just want friends.
Alright, before you respond, lets lay off the insults,
Originally posted by Jamuhn
What sets it apart is its highly organized nature. It's not like a bunch of guys sitting around chatting. You have degrees of masonry, posts, and so forth.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
So, why do you feel the need to be in this kind of group. Maybe I should say, why do masons feel the need to have social ladders. You can't say everyone is equal, because some have more priviledges than others.
I just don't understand what a highly organized structure with different levels would afford.
And then when individuals do rise up, its based on the principles of masonry, not on individual principles, but on what masonry teaches and tells you.
And you are not privy to all the information of masonry when you first join, so its not like you know entirely what you are getting into.
What makes the lowest degree so different from the highest except in the eyes of what masonry dictates?
Not trying to insult, just saying how I feel, I'm just being honest.
Originally posted by chekme
I suppose one could surmise that people in secret societies don't want to accept responsibility for their actions...which explains why they hide their identities. I believe their actions speak for themselves...they speak cowardice.
Originally posted by PublicGadfly
I am truly surprised masons or any other member of a "group" announces themselves in their sig or avatar.
I noticed in another thread someone posted about becoming a member of one of the secret societies. I am perplexed that supposed members of that same society responded.
Originally posted by df1
Masons put emblems on their cars identifying themselves as Masons.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Alright, it seems there is a Bible, and now I am very curious about what's in it.
I'm thinking it includes a lot about God and ethics and the such. So, I'm wondering do people who join Masonry know the fixed beliefs of the Masonic tradition? And, if they don't, do they become converted to these set of beliefs after joining?
Someone said they pay more into the organization than they get out of it.
I'm sorry, but after doing research this is starting to sound like a "counterfeit religion."
But I still do not understand the point of having degrees and the such if it wasn't made out to be a religion.
Or a better way to put it is a supplemental religion. Alright, I get it now. Good luck with all that.
What an odd thing to say -- do you feel that degrees are characteristic of a religion? We don't have degrees at my church, or any other church of which I am aware.
No, no, no! Where did you hear that? That's completely incorrect. There is no "Masonic" bible in the sense of a book with different text. A "Masonic" bible is a King James Bible with a Square and Compass on the front, a table of correspondences to Masonic ritual, some info on degrees, and an area for recording Masonic events in your life. It is different from a standard bible in only the way a "family" bible is different -- it has some extra pages in the front.
NO! You are operating on a false assumption. Freemasonry is not a religion, and it most certainly DOES NOT have its own scriptures.
That's not true either. What the person said was that he has contributed money to Freemasonry, but never received any money from Freemasonry. In the next paragraph, he goes on to say how he has obtained less tangible benefits. The money paid was in dues, etc. It's no different (in that limited sense) from joining the YMCA -- you pay a certain amount, and get to do certain things.
No, Freemasonry might be appropriately described as "the handmaid of religion."
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Alright, it seems there is a Bible, and now I am very curious about what's in it. I'm thinking it includes a lot about God and ethics and the such.