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Originally posted by joechip
"Annoying" isn't the right word.
Maybe "disheartening" would be more accurate. I think we have to accept that most Americans are so gullible and impressionable that they can't tell an apple from an orange, if you call the apple an orange. Mix in some racism, and other elements of ignorant "populism" ("I like him, he's one of us" thinking) and we have the modern tea party. Very easy folks to manipulate, nothing at all like Dr. Paul's original supporters. And yes, the leaders of this movement are nothing more than re-branded neo-cons, practically fascists in their ideology. And the followers are largely authoritarian types that eat it up.
That's one reason labels are so difficult to manage politically. The larger number of us tend to accept the label as identical to the thing labeled. And most people have neither the time nor the inclination to do their research into candidates pasts. You can never "take back" your movement...it's gone, the new folks don't even believe in the fundamentals that started it. Here's an excellent article about Michele Bachmann if anyone cares:
A great example of who the new leaders of the tea party really are.
I'm still voting for Dr. Paul, but I wish he would loudly, clearly denounce this "tea party" and distance himself from it. It doesn't even vaguely resemble his ideals.
SO all or nothing. As per the definition from "incrediblelousminds".
and yet it doesnt seem to concern any ATS libertarians as far as I can tell.
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
The Repugnicans [spelling intentional] took over the Libertarian party/movement a long time ago, in my opinion. I read and subscribed to Reason magazine in the early days, and years later, I saw a copy, and it looked like a GOP rag. Call me a disgusted ex-Lib. The Tea Party fell even quicker...
Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
Not only are current Republican candidates trying to steal Ron Paul's thunder by asking for an end to the Afghan war, but the entire GOP seems to have slipped into pseudo-Libertarian garb since about nov of 2008. I would thin this would get kind of annoying to all the ACTUAL libertarian types on ATS. You had to listen to these very same people champion nation building in Iraq while they now criticize the current POTUS for the VERY SAME THINGS they supported under Bush.
Now, I know very, VERY few on ATS will ever admit to being a Bush-bot. It would be suicide to out yourself as a neo-conservative in the midst of so many so-called libertarians.
So, how about it Libertarians? ISn't it uncomfortable to have so many Republicans-in-hiding trying to jack your swagga?
Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
All statist wanna-be libertarians are annoying.
Neo-Conservative wanna-be libertarians are no different.edit on 25-6-2011 by Rockdisjoint because: (no reason given)
There are no/few libertarian socialist(s) (like Ron Paul) candidates nor pure anarcho-capitalists as candidates. So why should I care?
We need to be community ran not state ran. States are obsolete.