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I was born in America but English was not my first Language... English was forced upon me

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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by brilab45
reply to post by CobraCommander
 


You are right. Through out history all of our ancestors were slaves. Only 01% of all of humanity were kings, queens and rulers.

Even to this day, we are all slaves. Have a SSN? You are a slave.






posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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All of this exploration and fighting for domination did occur in times past. I cannot help what happened to Native Indians, but I see no reason why I should have to capitulate to some crazy reconquista plan of Mexico because Mexicans don't accept the consequences of the Spanish-American war in the past. There is an agenda and it is fueled by hard core communist agendas to concquer the US for World Communism. I am seeing the bigger picture in this.


To this I agree, and I have posted in the past evidence of this communist reconquista by a large Mexican group, as well as other outside influences happening as well for world communism or socialism to take control. However that other thread was entirely about that man having an interpreter and some gringos not liking that idea, and saying this was an insult because the man asked for an interpreter instead of speaking English himself.

Then several other gringos began claiming how only English should be spoken, and then we began to see the true face of racism that still lives to this day on many of these members. We even had some claim that if people could not properly speak English, like these gringos do of course, then those Americans/legal immigrants are lazy and should be stripped of their citizenship and kicked out of the country...

To this I responded that then we should have a written English exam for EVERY American, including those born here, and if those gringos can't write English properly is only because they are lazy and should be kicked out of the country...



Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
The guy testifying in Spanishat the Texas State legislature mentioned also in this thread is an Open Borders activist and I guarantee it is all fueled by the Soros machine, and Soros funding of various organizations dedicated to supporting illegal immigration.
People can complain all they want about how Europeans are all illegals here, but unless people want to live under the domination of World Communism, everyone should wake up to the reality of this scenario.
edit on 19-6-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)


Yes, like I said there are groups that want for socialism/communism to take control over this country, and the world, however language has nothing to do with this, and this has been a country where people migrated here from all over the world and even back then you could hear several different languages being spoken in the streets and even documents were written in different languages, and even the Continental Congress rejected the idea of John Adams to establish an official Language Academy to set standards for English, and the reasons the Continental Congress greed why suchacademy should be rejected was because it is improper for the government to impose this, and it is a threat to individual liberties.


When the U.S. was founded, it was common to hear as many as 20 languages spoken along with many documents that were printed in different languages.
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For more than 200 years, Americans have gotten by without declaring English our official language. Congress had never even considered declaring English the nations official language until 1981. The only previous official-language legislation dates back to 1923: a bill designating “American” the national tongue.
Americans have traditionally resisted language legislation, beginning in 1780, when John Adams proposed to establish an official Language Academy to set standards for English. This idea was rejected by the Continental Congress as an improper role for government and a threat to individual liberties. There was no English proficiency requirement to become naturalized as a U.S. citizen until 1906 the first major language restriction to be enacted at the federal level.
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www.directessays.com...


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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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You are hillarious. I think I might like you.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 02:54 AM
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please do not twist what I said. Keep your language, but learn the land's language. It is indeed always shifting, but you have no right to claim its your right to not learn it. You do not have a right to remain ignorant of the place you live in in this time and day. Seems maybe a bit dictatorially, but it's just common sense and common decency. I want to move to Spain to learn Spanish, and Mexico to learn that dialect too. I do not want to learn Spanish because some ignorant fool is too lazy to communicate with me.




As far as the Dark Ages being due to the loss of Latin (you forgot Greek), that was because the common folk werent educated and therefore couldnt read (among other reasons)! Period.


That wasn't always true, and it certainly didn't help that there were sooner 5 languages where there were once 1 or 2.




By the way, They didnt ask us to come here. this was their place before us, the spanish, or the french. Remember? Show some respect.


Respect for the dead? yes. Respect for the living trying to get off the dead's sacrifice? no. We already know that Native Americans, as well as the whole of humanity, are all the product of stolen land. We know in America alone, Asiatic groups were not the only ones. There were also Australian Aboriginal, strong signs of India influences, and almost certainly European contacts thousands of years before even the vikings. Fact is there isn't a sole on this Earth not living on stolen land. To say anyone is the owner of a land is folly. We are all thieves, and descendants of thieves. Before the tribes that the Europeans met, there were others, and before them others. What ever happened to the glory of the Mississippi Valley Civilization, hmm?

Respect is owed to the dead who fought for what was there's. The living, who stole it and try to get a free pass because of their sacrifice, deserve no more respect then a common beggar. We all deserve no more and no less respect.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 02:54 AM
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And in all those places, did they get to their high point before or after the standardization of their language?



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 02:56 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


Resorting to derogatory name calling? I have enjoyed your posts in the past, but I guess people's personal agendas always come out in the end.
edit on 19-6-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)


First of all, that wasn't adressed to you, but to those gringos who were making derogatory comments to hispanics for daring to speak Spanish in the U.S.

Second of all, you are right, I shouldn't go down to their level but when I see things like this happening it boils my blood and I respond in kind.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 02:57 AM
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 03:00 AM
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Ah, so you are justified in using the derogatory term "Gringo" then. My objection to that whole scenario was the use of the language barrier in an agenda, which is clearly what the man was doing. I am sorry you do not see it. All you see is the white gringos being racist. The truth is that these scenarios are deliberately created for the purpose of chaos. The NWO elite do not care because their goal is a NAU and they intend to blend us all together anyway and dissolve the dollar and replace with the Amero, or maybe with the Euro, which is what the Soros machine wants, so they are not the least bit concerned with having secure borders or with enforcing them and any enforcing of immigration laws is most likely really for the purpose of control anyway.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 03:03 AM
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Please read this... members.peak.org...

Brief History of English
A fascinating well written explanation of how the English language came about. It would seem none of us are truly communicating in our native tongue.Being English myself and living in England with very close ancestors of English Irish and Welsh decent I found this particularly insightful.
edit on 19-6-2011 by tarifa37 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 03:11 AM
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Thanks for sharing. I remember my grade school days. It was a confusing time, having my grandparents teach me their language, then go to school and get into big trouble for speaking it.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 03:21 AM
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Originally posted by rdavis
The original Native Americans were white Solutreans from western Europe. You are just a descendant of genocidal Asians from Siberia. Get over it, this is not your land either.


Where did you get that? Stormfront or whitenewsnow?

Every single time there's a thread where a Native posts about his history, or his thoughts there's always a handful of people who descend upon it to destroy it. I get it, there's people here who hate on Natives. We already know where you stand with your post. Thanks for letting your presence be known.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 03:24 AM
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Originally posted by parrothead0333
reply to post by DaddyBare
 


YOU live in the United States so YOU should speak English! We are an English speaking country and if you can't learn to speak English then you should move elsewhere. That is all I have to say!


Where is he going to move? You realize he IS Native to this country? How come you don't know my language? I was born here too.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 03:27 AM
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There was a time in New Zealand when the indigenous people, the Maori, were dissuaded ( and some say forcefully) from speaking their natural tongue.


The Maori language was suppressed in schools, either formally or informally, so that Maori youngsters could assimilate with the wider community. Some older Maori still recall being punished for speaking their language. In the mid-1980s Sir James Henare remembered many years earlier being sent into the bush to cut a piece of pirita (supplejack vine) with which he was struck for speaking te reo in the school grounds. One teacher told him that 'English is the bread-and-butter language, and if you want to earn your bread and butter you must speak English.


There have been extensive programs in the last 30 years to preserve the language to the point that it is a compulsory subject; albeit in short lessons at some facilities, in all schools in New Zealand. The Maori language is now regarded as ' taonga', a national treasure, and that has to be a good thing. The sad part is so many young Maori parents cant be bothered learning themselves and do not pass on a sense of urgency to their children about the importance of their language. Currently there are plans by the Government to make every single teacher in this country, regardless of ethnicity, reasonably fluent in the Maori language and that is causing uproar in certain sectors.
For me, I am sad that the language was allowed to decline but in the end Maori now have to put in the hard yards to take back that which is theirs. No amount of Maori speaking teachers are going to make a difference as long as there are parents who are not interested.
I am not Maori but I have a niece who's father is. She embraces her Maori side much much more than her Scottish/English side to the extent of having her face moko'ed, ( tattooed) and she is a Maori Language tutor at University. I am very proud of her.

Op'er, best of luck to you, I hope your language will flourish and thrive. Make sure it does as it too is ' taonga'... a treasure.

HISTORY OF THE MAORI LANGUAGE
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 03:30 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Ah, so you are justified in using the derogatory term "Gringo" then.


To those members that were calling hispanics bastards, and claiming we should be stripped of our citizenship and kicked out of the country because we dare to speak Spanish in the U.S.?.... Hell yeah...



Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
My objection to that whole scenario was the use of the language barrier in an agenda, which is clearly what the man was doing. I am sorry you do not see it. All you see is the white gringos being racist. The truth is that these scenarios are deliberately created for the purpose of chaos. The NWO elite do not care because their goal is a NAU and they intend to blend us all together anyway and dissolve the dollar and replace with the Amero, or maybe with the Euro, which is what the Soros machine wants, so they are not the least bit concerned with having secure borders or with enforcing them and any enforcing of immigration laws is most likely really for the purpose of control anyway.


And my objection is that there is a group of Americans who like to use this sort of scenario to condenm hispanics, and anyone else who would dare speak a language they don't like, or who doesn't speak English like they do.

I have been all over the U.S., and I have experienced the racism from these sort of people just because I don't speak English as well as they do, because I would have trouble with one word or two, or because they don't like my accent, and their response would be "learn English" or "maybe you should go back to your country" or other similar responses.

Yes that still happens to this day. I am not saying all "gringos" do it, but there is a large group that still do, including some Canadians living close to the border of the U.S.

BTW, the word "gringo" is a hispanic term that refers to Americans who were born here and speak English fluently, but I never said all "gringos" do this.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by parrothead0333
reply to post by DaddyBare
 


YOU live in the United States so YOU should speak English! We are an English speaking country and if you can't learn to speak English then you should move elsewhere. That is all I have to say!


Where is he going to move? You realize he IS Native to this country? How come you don't know my language? I was born here too.


Many languages are shared and taught throughout the modern world, one can
learn virtually any language and in Europe many people speak multiple languages
out of necessity.

Can you explain why the Native American languages are not ?

My impression: the reason is two fold, first you are a closed society and have no
desire to teach outsiders your languages and secondly your languages are
somewhat primitive which makes them very difficult to use for modern dialogues.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 03:37 AM
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Spanish is the language of invaders that were mere brutal and more colonial than any English speakers. Why should we embrace Spanish? It is no native tongue.
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 03:47 AM
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Im sorry, I must have missed that part of the thread. I don't remember any discussion of people being stripped of their citizenship. Must have been later on.
What I know is that there is a divide and concquer tactic going on. The Mexican govt encourages its citizens to crash US borders, work in the States and send remittances home because it is economically good for them. Meanwhile American taxpayers have to pay for the free services received by Mexican nationals who have no loyalty to America. This is not a valid social justice but it is the social engineering being pushed by certain factions. Even if that guy testifying is a US citizen, he is a willing part of that machinery. The fact that he used trickery is evident. But this is how TPTB manipulate people, through tactics which divide people along party lines, gender, race, etc, even while all the so-called political correctness is happening. And they sit back and laugh in their ivory towers while everybody fights and kills each other.

By the way I have been called Gringo while at a salsa dance club. I get tired of racism as well.
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 03:51 AM
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Thanks for sharing your story.
I support every native in any country who stands by his or her own roots - especially in times of unjustice and tyranny.
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 03:56 AM
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Originally posted by CobraCommander
Spanish is the language of invaders that were mere brutal and more colonial than any English speakers. Why should we embrace Spanish? It is no native tongue.
edit on 19-6-2011 by CobraCommander because: (no reason given)


That is true, and somewhere along the way, the Spanish had been concquered by the Moors way back in around the 700's. So, really, many of those who are a mix of Spaniards and native Mexican are also likely a bit Moorish as well(North African).



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 04:02 AM
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Thank you for sharing this story, it's something that needs to be heard... direct experience, a real event.

I have an unrelated question, however, and that is- with what you've experienced at the hands of the culture which colonized this land, and with all your ancestors experienced having genocide foisted upon them, having their cultures systematically destroyed, having your people systematically converted to the dominating culture's religions/culture/language/customs/etc.... how do you personally take pride in being part of the military of the very same culture/government which was (and in many ways still is) your culture's enemy?

This isn't a criticism, I really am curious/confused when I see quite a number of Natives who are well aware of their culture's history and proud of their heritage... but at the same time join the military of this country and take pride in it... I just feel like I'd personally have hatred/disgust for such an institution and couldn't bring myself to join it.




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