It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by DaddyBare
No my parents were not Immigrants... the simple fact is I am Jicarilla Apache a Native American...
the word jicarilla comes from Mexican Spanish meaning "little basket." my people are noted for our basket making skills...At home we speak a broken mix of English Apache and Spanish with a little Zuni and Dine thrown in... the result of where we live in the world and how our close neighbours are....
I remember being in grade school, not that very long ago, the early 60's... I remember in second grade I sat between my two friends another Red Skin and a Mexican girl... we three only spoke broken English so when a concept or idea was lost due to this language gap we would whisper to each other, usually in Spanish and between the three of us might figure out 80% of each lesson... that is unless the the teacher caught us speaking anything other than proper English... I too remember the three of us having to hold the top edge of the desk to have our knuckles soundly rapped with her wooden yard stick... this happened quite often in my case... I remember once she asked me a direct question... I knew the answer just not how to say it in English... So I spoke up loud and proud in my own Native tongue... My teacher thought I called her a bad name... I was ushered off to the principal's office where despite my objections and innocence... was soundly paddled on my backside.... that single lesson taught me one single thing... never to open my mouth in class again....
On paper my grades were good, not great but okay....Many of my future teachers thought I might be a bit slow because I never did a class presentation or spoke up... never volunteered... but there were other's like me who gathered and whispered away from everyone else...It wasn't until; I reached High School that I was allowed a little expression... I took Spanish classes... of course I excelled ... but it wasn't until college I was allowed to speak my own tongue..... that only because a few grad students were recording various tribal languages to preserve them....
I a Native born American, never knew more than a few words of English until I went to school... My own Language was beaten out of me, punished because I did not inherently understand English words...
thank god times have changed because there are still places in the States where hardly a word of true English is spoken... Not just the Natives but you hear German up in the far north of this country Cajun down south and out west they still speak a dialect of Castillo brought here by the early Spanish explores... No not everyone in the states speaks English and I'm glad... otherwise we'll all be cookie cutter copies of each other, then where would be the fun in learning something truly new and wonderful about each otheredit on 18-6-2011 by DaddyBare because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by davespanners
reply to post by Kali74
None of you use the proper Queens English any way.
You wouldn't adam and eve the amount of times I'll be out with one of my old china plates and some septic will come up to me asking for Anneka Rice cos they are all Kate Mossed.
Then I tell them the way and they look all sixes and sevens at me
All of this exploration and fighting for domination did occur in times past. I cannot help what happened to Native Indians, but I see no reason why I should have to capitulate to some crazy reconquista plan of Mexico because Mexicans don't accept the consequences of the Spanish-American war in the past.
Originally posted by odyseusz
In India for example there are 16 official language with English as main to all country. In China there are 3 official languages. It's not a big deal. In USA probably over 50 million people use Spanish language. This is not a small number which government could ignore.
edit on 19-6-2011 by odyseusz because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Kali74
On a more serious note though, I find it ironic that most people on ATS are paranoid of globalization yet want everyone to speak english.
We do not give enough credit to human intelligence or our capacity to learn. We are fully capable of speaking several languages fluently. In a nation (US) of immigrants is it really just hippie idealism to think we should at least all be able to speak spanish in addition to english?
Genetic history of indigenous peoples of the Americas
When studying Human mitochondrial DNA haplogroups the results indicate that Indigenous Amerindian haplogroups, including Haplogroup X (mtDNA), are part of a single founding east Asian population. 
It also indicates that the distribution of Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroups and the levels of sequence divergence among linguistically similar groups, were the result of proceeding multiple migrations from Bering Straits populations.
All Indigenous Amerindians mtDNA can be traced back to five haplogroups types A, B, C, D and X. More specifically, Indigenous Amerindians mtDNA belongs to sub-haplogroups that are unique to the Americas and not found in Asia or Europe: A2, B2, C1, D1, and X2a (with minor groups C4c, D2, D3, and D4h3).
This suggests that 95% of Indigenous Amerindians mtDNAs are descended from a minimal genetic founding female population, comprising sub-haplogroups A2, B2, C1b, C1c, C1d, and D1. The remaining 5% is composed of the X2a, D2, D3, C4, and D4h3 sub-haplogroups.
One of the most recent theories with extensive coverage in popular media outlets is known as the Solutrean theory. The theory suggests that early European people (or peoples) may have been among the earliest settlers of the Americas.
Citing evidence that the Solutrean culture of prehistoric Europe may have provided the basis for the tool-making of the Clovis culture in the Americas, the theory suggests that Ice Age Europeans migrated to North America by using skills similar to those possessed by the modern Inuit peoples and followed the edge of the ice sheet that spanned the Atlantic.
The hypothesis rests upon particular similarities in Solutrean and Clovis technology that have no known counterparts in Eastern Asia, Siberia or Beringia, areas from which, or through which, early Americans are known to have migrated.
The theory is largely discounted by most professionals for a variety of reasons, including the fact that the differences between the two tool making traditions far outweigh the similarities, the several thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean and the 5000 year span that separate the two different cultures.
Genetic studies of Native American populations have also shown the Solutrean theory to be unlikely, showing instead that the 5 main mtDNA haplogroups found in the Americas were all part of one gene pool migration from Asia.
Recent genetic research
An article in the American Journal of Human Genetics by researchers in Brazil argued against the Solutrean hypothesis. "Our results strongly support the hypothesis that haplogroup X, together with the other four main mtDNA haplogroups, was part of the gene pool of a single Native American founding population; therefore they do not support models that propose haplogroup-independent migrations, such as the migration from Europe posed by the Solutrean hypothesis."
Mitochondrial Population Genomics Supports a Single Pre-Clovis Origin with a Coastal Route for the Peopling of the Americas
The American Journal of Human Genetics
In this study, we analyze 86 mtDNA genomes (58 of them new) belonging to all five major Native American haplogroups (A2, B2, C1, D1, and X2a) to provide a better understanding of the timing and mode of the peopling of the New World. Our analysis suggests a complex scenario for this migration, in which the founding population underwent a moderate bottleneck during the LGM to expand along the continent toward the end of the LGM, around 18 kya, probably via a Pacific coastal route. Furthermore, we support a model in which all mtDNA haplogroups were present in this expansion, thus refuting multiple-migration scenarios such as the Solutrean hypothesis.
Originally posted by Common Scarecrow
I have worked with people who came to America from other countries.
They were not allowed to speak anything other than english in their home so that they could learn the language. They took pride in becoming an American citizen.
America is a country. Before the early settlers came here it was NOT a country. It was just land that was inhabited by many different tribes, cultures, languages, etc. It was fractured and broken up.
...I do not fly a flag from some other country outside of my house. I am not into the whole, yuppy "it's fashionable to flaunt my heritage" crap....
When this country collapses, which it will, it will take the rest of the world with it. The rest of the world is too dependent on the U.S. to survive by itself.