Where Is Now Comet Elenin , C/2010 X1 ?

Can anyone give us some info of direction where is comet Elenin now watching from Earth ..?

So we amateurs can watch comet because so mach was written on net for Elenin last months end don't have any info or pictures on virtual telescopes ..

I' don't believe in that Planet X theory, for my is only regular comet ..
Maybe someone have good telescope end can see that comet or making picture, we by all happy ..

I think comet Elenin is in Leo constellation when you watch from Earth, entering Mars orbit at Jun 25
So is somewhere at 2x distance from Mars to Sun on opposite side of Sun, in Leo constellation ..

Direction of Leo first leg end Leo head, end is not that object on picture we posted here..
But is on that coordinate we posted watching from Earth at 10.06.2011, end next days by in Leo constellation ..

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ad194e598183.png[/atsimg]

Peace ..

Originally posted by Dalke07
Can anyone give us some info of direction where is comet Elenin

Date TT R. A. (2000) Decl. Delta r Elong. Phase m1 m2
2011 05 29 10 26 59.6 +08 14 00 1.8345 2.0692 88.3 29.3 14.5
2011 05 30 10 27 02.2 +08 13 59 1.8345 2.0544 87.3 29.5 14.4
2011 05 31 10 27 06.6 +08 13 48 1.8344 2.0395 86.4 29.7 14.4
2011 06 01 10 27 12.8 +08 13 26 1.8343 2.0246 85.5 30.0 14.4
2011 06 02 10 27 20.8 +08 12 54 1.8341 2.0097 84.5 30.2 14.3
2011 06 03 10 27 30.6 +08 12 11 1.8338 1.9947 83.6 30.4 14.3
2011 06 04 10 27 42.1 +08 11 18 1.8334 1.9797 82.7 30.5 14.3
2011 06 05 10 27 55.4 +08 10 14 1.8329 1.9646 81.8 30.7 14.2
2011 06 06 10 28 10.4 +08 09 01 1.8323 1.9495 80.9 30.9 14.2
2011 06 07 10 28 27.1 +08 07 37 1.8316 1.9344 80.0 31.1 14.2
2011 06 08 10 28 45.6 +08 06 03 1.8308 1.9192 79.2 31.3 14.1
2011 06 09 10 29 05.8 +08 04 18 1.8298 1.9040 78.3 31.5 14.1
2011 06 10 10 29 27.7 +08 02 24 1.8287 1.8887 77.4 31.6 14.1
2011 06 11 10 29 51.3 +08 00 19 1.8275 1.8735 76.6 31.8 14.0
2011 06 12 10 30 16.5 +07 58 04 1.8262 1.8581 75.7 32.0 14.0
2011 06 13 10 30 43.4 +07 55 39 1.8247 1.8427 74.9 32.1 14.0
2011 06 14 10 31 12.0 +07 53 04 1.8231 1.8273 74.1 32.3 13.9
2011 06 15 10 31 42.2 +07 50 20 1.8213 1.8119 73.3 32.5 13.9
2011 06 16 10 32 14.1 +07 47 25 1.8194 1.7964 72.4 32.6 13.8
2011 06 17 10 32 47.6 +07 44 20 1.8174 1.7808 71.6 32.8 13.8
2011 06 18 10 33 22.7 +07 41 05 1.8151 1.7652 70.8 32.9 13.8
2011 06 19 10 33 59.5 +07 37 40 1.8128 1.7496 70.0 33.1 13.7
2011 06 20 10 34 37.9 +07 34 05 1.8102 1.7339 69.3 33.2 13.7
2011 06 21 10 35 17.8 +07 30 19 1.8075 1.7182 68.5 33.4 13.6
2011 06 22 10 35 59.5 +07 26 24 1.8047 1.7024 67.7 33.5 13.6
2011 06 23 10 36 42.7 +07 22 19 1.8016 1.6866 66.9 33.7 13.5
2011 06 24 10 37 27.5 +07 18 03 1.7984 1.6708 66.2 33.8 13.5
2011 06 25 10 38 13.9 +07 13 38 1.7950 1.6549 65.4 34.0 13.5
2011 06 26 10 39 02.0 +07 09 02 1.7914 1.6389 64.7 34.1 13.4
2011 06 27 10 39 51.6 +07 04 16 1.7876 1.6230 64.0 34.3 13.4
2011 06 28 10 40 42.8 +06 59 19 1.7837 1.6069 63.2 34.4 13.3


This might also help.
On the border of Leo and Sextans.

reply to post by alfa1


So I find this numbers on sky end know where I can pointed telescope ..

I say for us amateurs not for some special-force astronomers ..

We need simply information where is in sky but thank you for all that information, hope you put update here in next days ..

Peace end tnx ..

reply to post by alfa1


So that puts it in an almost direct angle to earth's equator?

reply to post by Dalke07


I think 22 million miles...

Originally posted by Dalke07
reply to post by alfa1

 

So I find this numbers on sky end know where I can pointed telescope ..

Its not easy at the moment, its still very faint, you need a good telescope and some experience finding obects in the sky.

You can (you should) install Stellarium www.stellarium.org... which is free and open source software (and is usable for beginners as well as for experts) and then once you have it running and set up your location and got a bit used to the software you can then import the comet's orbital elements (sounds complicated but there are instructions for this on the web, it effectively boils down to just a few mouse clicks, it will fetch it on-line from the MPC).

With Stellarium you can then easily find the exact location where to look for it and if you have a "goto-telescope" you can even connect it to the PC and let it point and track it automatically.

Originally posted by Dalke07
I say for us amateurs not for some special-force astronomers ..

Hmmm.. those ARE the numbers that an amateur astronomer would use.

Example...

Date TT R. A. (2000) Decl. Delta r Elong. Phase m1 m2
2011 06 11 10 29 51.3 +08 00 19 1.8275 1.8735 76.6 31.8 14.0

Date: 2011 06 11 (July 11th)
RA (Right Ascension) is 10 hours, 29 minutes, 51.3 seconds.
Declination is +8 degrees, 0 minutes, 19 seconds.

The RA and Dec are the coordinates, like Latitude and Longitude are for Earth.

Now, looking at the star map I linked to, the Right Ascension runs horizontally across the page. Hard to see but 8 hours on the right side and 12 hours on the left. 10 hours is in the middle.
Declination is how far "up" or "down" you would be looking away from the center line of that chart. +8 degrees is slightly up from center. About three quarters of the way up from center to Regulus.
So the comet is a bit below and to the right of that star labelled as "ρ", (the bottom bit of Leo)

HOWEVER

Its been a bit pointless me telling you this, because the last column of the table is the Magnitude = 14.0.
Now thats about as faint as the "planet" Pluto. As if I needed to tell you this, then you wont have a telescope good enough to see it.
But maybe you know someone who does.

reply to post by prof7


Hi entering Mars orbit in 15 days, so mach little visual information end pictures ..

Can you post here information how put that data in MWorldWide Telescope end Stellarium ..

I use WWT end I like him very but can't find that information ..

Peace end thank you ..

alfa1
I' don't have telescope but have friend of mind so we try something in next days ..

Originally posted by Dalke07
reply to post by prof7
Can you post here information how put that data in MWorldWide Telescope end Stellarium ..

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I' don't have Telescope but have friend of mind so we try something in next days ..

edit on 10-6-2011 by Dalke07 because: (no reason given)

The microsoft "telescope" is not a telescope, its only a toy, not used by astronomers.

If your friend has a telescope he might know a little bit more about astronomy and be able to help you.

reply to post by prof7


Wo00w ..

I did not ask you for learn my how become astronomer only what you say for update software or similar ..

Tnx for n00othing ..lol

Elenin can be found in the general direction of Saturn, near Virgo, but it is not visible to the naked eye.

Originally posted by Dalke07
reply to post by prof7

 

Wo00w ..

I did not ask you for learn my how become astronomer only what you say for update software or similar ..

Tnx for n00othing ..lol

edit on 10-6-2011 by Dalke07 because: (no reason given)

Here are the elements formatted for TheSky and Cartes du Ciel. If you can't find it based on the coordinates already listed then you have no hope of finding it yet at all. It's incredibly faint and almost stellar in appearance, so if you don't know how to find objects by their coordinates there's no way you're experienced enough to find it at all. I know I could not have found it when I was just starting out and only knew how to star hop, but here it is as seen by my telescope:
i319.photobucket.com...
Anyway, here are the elements, you may need to fix the spacing to match the other objects in your comets' data file if the forum destroys the spacing formatting.

C/2010 X1 (Elenin) |2000|20110910.7240 | 0.482462 |1.000024 |343.8085 |323.2242 | 1.8391 |10.0 |10.0 | MPC 75009

and here they are for Stellarium. They are a few weeks old already but should still be pretty accurate. I can make fresh ones if you need, but not today.

Add all these lines at the end of stellarium's ssystem.ini file and restart stellarium. Then press CTRL + F to bring up the search box, enter "Comet Elenin" (without the quotes) hit OK and it will center the comet on the screen (and move the connected telescope).

[Elenin_C2010_X1]
# Data taken from JPL/HORIZONS
# correct for the specified time frame:
# Start Time : A.D. 2011-May-16 00:00:00.0000 CT
# Stop Time : A.D. 2011-May-16 00:00:00.0000 CT
name = Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1)
parent = Sun
coord_func = comet_orbit
radius = 10
oblateness = 0.0
albedo = 1
lighting = true
halo = true
color = 1.0,1.0,1.0
tex_halo = star16x16.png
tex_map = nomap.png
orbit_Epoch = 2455697.500000000
orbit_TimeAtPericenter = 2455815.2228780515
orbit_PericenterDistance = 0.4824507202025269
orbit_Eccentricity = 1.000042949119672
orbit_ArgOfPericenter = 343.8044678255514
orbit_AscendingNode = 323.2284570595345
orbit_Inclination = 1.839198029205975
# use M1 and k1 for the total magnitude of comets
# absolute_magnitude = M1 brightness when 1 AU from sun and 1 AU from earth
# slope_parameter = 0.4*k1 rate of brightening when approaching the sun
type = comet
absolute_magnitude = 10.8
slope_parameter = 4

And while I am at posting elements here is another one for 2013 (still quite new and probably still a bit inaccurate) that will be as bright as almost mag 1 in 2013 but unfortunately (for me) better visible in the southern hemisphere when it reaches maximum brightness:

[PANSTARRS_C2011_L4]
# Data taken from JPL/HORIZONS
# correct for the specified time frame:
# Start Time : A.D. 2011-Jun-11 00:00:00.0000 CT
# Stop Time : A.D. 2011-Jun-11 00:00:00.0000 CT
name = Comet PANSTARRS (C/2011 L4)
parent = Sun
coord_func = comet_orbit
radius = 10
oblateness = 0.0
albedo = 1
lighting = true
halo = true
color = 1.0,1.0,1.0
tex_halo = star16x16.png
tex_map = nomap.png
orbit_Epoch = 2455723.500000000
orbit_TimeAtPericenter = 2456399.633159738
orbit_PericenterDistance = 0.3643990311470535
orbit_Eccentricity = 0.9999993994595898
orbit_ArgOfPericenter = 331.6627860026276
orbit_AscendingNode = 64.22511407315122
orbit_Inclination = 104.7469291588927

# use M1 and k1 for the total magnitude of comets
# absolute_magnitude = M1 brightness when 1 AU from sun and 1 AU from earth
# slope_parameter = 0.4*k1 rate of brightening when approaching the sun
type = comet
absolute_magnitude = 5.7
slope_parameter = 4

If you download Stellarium, a free program, and copy and paste the data I've provided below into the appropriate file (see below the data I've provided) you will be able to see where Elenin is.

Data:

[Elenin]
name = Elenin
parent = Sun
radius = 24
oblateness = 0.0
halo = true
color = 1.0,1.0,1.0
tex_halo = star16x16.png
tex_map = nomap.png
coord_func = comet_orbit
orbit_TimeAtPericenter = 2455815.22816
orbit_PericenterDistance = 0.482473
orbit_Eccentricity = 1.000016
orbit_ArgOfPericenter = 343.8071
orbit_AscendingNode = 323.2259c
orbit_Inclination = 1.8392
lighting = false
albedo = 1
sidereal_period = 365.25


Copy and paste above data to this file in Stellarium:

This is the path to follow to find the file in which to paste the data:

C Drive
Users
(your user name here)
Application Data
Roaming
Stellarium
Data
ssystem (paste here)

ETA:

Screen cap. Red X marks the spot:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/aa90c9a17baf.jpg[/atsimg]

Ok, here are the most recent (most accurate) osculating elements for today 2011-06-11:

[Elenin_C2010_X1]
# Data taken from JPL/HORIZONS
# correct for the specified time frame:
# Start Time : A.D. 2011-Jun-11 00:00:00.0000 CT
# Stop Time : A.D. 2011-Jun-11 00:00:00.0000 CT
name = Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1)
parent = Sun
coord_func = comet_orbit
radius = 10
oblateness = 0.0
albedo = 1
lighting = true
halo = true
color = 1.0,1.0,1.0
tex_halo = star16x16.png
tex_map = nomap.png
orbit_Epoch = 2455723.500000000
orbit_TimeAtPericenter = 2455815.2232477106
orbit_PericenterDistance = 0.4824518619662096
orbit_Eccentricity = 1.000041453523789
orbit_ArgOfPericenter = 343.8049574760755
orbit_AscendingNode = 323.227895200052
orbit_Inclination = 1.839207760199143

# use M1 and k1 for the total magnitude of comets
# absolute_magnitude = M1 brightness when 1 AU from sun and 1 AU from earth
# slope_parameter = 0.4*k1 rate of brightening when approaching the sun
type = comet
absolute_magnitude = 10.8
slope_parameter = 4


Attention: the elements from "this_is_who_we_are" in the posting before mine are completely off. Compare RA/DE values to mine and also to the ones from the other posters, also compare distance, its not only slightly off but really completely off, its in a completely different place in the sky. I suspect a typo somewhere in the numbers or they are really old and never have been updated. Also the magnitude estimation is completely wrong, it should be around 14.8 at the moment.

Thank yo00o ..

So we need only to point telescopes how, I hope we can see him ..

Is very good info what you all put here so finding from now is not so complicated ..



Peace ..

reply to post by ngchunter


Thank you for posting here picture from your telescope ..

I hope you come with newest pictures in next months ..

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/11516ad2ce9c.jpg[/atsimg]

reply to post by prof7


Oops. I guess I can't trust everything I find on the internet. I plugged your data into my Stellarium. Thanks.








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That looks huge!!! Is there more pics like this???