Court: Dad can paste daughter's face on porn photo

Originally posted by ShadowZion

And your arguing for the perverted old man it seems,

I'm arguing for a society in which you have the right to express any type of deviance, as long as you don't force that deviance upon someone else.

In other words, a father can not impose his sexuality on his underage daughter. Two consenting adults can do whatever they want with each other, it's none of my business.

Originally posted by ShadowZion
im not saying we go back to barbaric times, but we understand right from wrong and only do the right thing.

So to you, Deuteronomy is barbaric? There is no universal 'right' and 'wrong' IMO, only ethical and moral concepts perceived as it.

Originally posted by SevenBeans

Originally posted by Aeons
"Reproductively Mature?" Like the non-menstruating models mentioned earlier as an example.

You're harping this point thinking that it is the weak spot on people with normal human morality about this issue. It isn't. This is just people hoping that screaming over and over "but she's got boobies" will sow confusion.

If you want to turn a blind eye to reality that's fine with me, fact remains that there is nothing unnatural, perverted etc. etc. about a man being attracted to a reproductively mature female (or for a woman to be attracted to a reproductively mature male).

Originally posted by Aeons
Teenage girls are more likely to DIE from childbirth, to suffer from all sorts of pregnancy related medical issues such as HELPP and preeclampsia. Their babies are more likely to die in childbirth, as are the teenage girls giving birth. Their vaginal canal is more likely to sustain maiming damage.

You're completely missing the point. I'm not arguing that in this day and age it's a good idea for very young women to get pregnant (even if they're reproductively mature). I'm saying that it's natural for people to be sexually attracted to reproductively mature members of the opposite gender.

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sometimes i worry for the the human race, so lets say that a 13 year old girl was reproductivly mature, btw that is the age most girls experience periods (in my knowledge) which would make her reproductivly mature.....

so basically you would have relations with a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD........

You make me sick

Originally posted by Heliocentric

Originally posted by ShadowZion

And your arguing for the perverted old man it seems,

I'm arguing for a society in which you have the right to express any type of deviance, as long as you don't force that deviance upon someone else.

In other words, a father can not impose his sexuality on his underage daughter. Two consenting adults can do whatever they want with each other, it's none of my business.

i removed the quote that have referenced me in because i went back to look at what you had written for a second time and had a second though and assumed you were on my side of the argument..... however i was wrong, i understand what your saying completely but i do not believe that if those two were married to other people they should have relations with each other, if your single fair enough (that is compliant with modern day life) but if your married and have kids at least have the decency to divorce and stop people suffering emotional pain or dont do it at all. There is a name for people like that --- they are called whores and they work at whore houses!

Picture your wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend running off with someone else, it hurts doesn't it now picture their pain if it were you running off.

Originally posted by ShadowZion
im not saying we go back to barbaric times, but we understand right from wrong and only do the right thing.

So to you, Deuteronomy is barbaric? There is no universal 'right' and 'wrong' IMO, only ethical and moral concepts perceived as it.

well its not barbaric but you can see what i mean, if we want the ultimate piece, i believe there should be a punishment for affairs and the likes, but i dont think in this day and age, when we can know right from wrong death is the most appropriate, i reckon a fine and 2-5 months in jail and possession taken away.

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Do you really not understand the difference between impulses, thoughts, and action? Do you act on every little thing that pops into your head uncontrollably or something?

Originally posted by TKDRL
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Do you really not understand the difference between impulses, thoughts, and action? Do you act on every little thing that pops into your little head uncontrollably or something?

My heads actually quite big tbh, i find myself quite intelligent not too intelligent but the right amount of intelligent.

And yes i do, i used to have severe overreacting problems which lead me to very depressed states within my life and i dont want anyone to get hurt.

and i dont see the point of your post it does nothing but insult me, its a bit childish dont you think?
but moving on my point is once and for all final summary.

that if you are married you should not have relations with anyone else - simple as and as plain as that
there used to be harsh punishment, which sad to say still is today, (stonning etc...)

i believe that the earth needs more positivity and the only way to move the earth is by making sure the people are happy

THERE CAN BE NO HESITATION

Originally posted by ShadowZion
sometimes i worry for the the human race,

I also worry for the human race,

But if you compare humanity with a child, I think love and tolerance are better parental tools then trying to beat some sense into it.

I think Jesus would have agreed.

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Actually that wasn't intentional sorry. That's what I get for typing before I have had my first cup of coffee.

Originally posted by Heliocentric

Originally posted by ShadowZion
sometimes i worry for the the human race,

I also worry for the human race,

But if you compare humanity with a child, I think love and tolerance are better parental tools then trying to beat some sense into it.

I think Jesus would have agreed.

i dont understand im not saying beating anyone to death m8, i agree with you 100%

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thats alright m8, dont worry happens sometimes

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I believe anyone that wants to punish people for consentual sex is not right in the head. I am sorry that you were cheated on, but it is you who should be to blame, for not being able to keep your partner interested. You do not own him/her. If you think people have to be punished for cheating, then your sense of morality is greatly distorted, and you have little authority to lecture us about right and wrong.

Originally posted by Maslo
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I believe anyone that wants to punish people for consentual sex is not right in the head. I am sorry that you were cheated on, but it is you who should be to blame, for not being able to keep your partner interested. You do not own him/her. If you think people have to be punished for cheating, then your sense of morality is greatly distorted, and you have little authority to lecture us about right and wrong.

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oh no i kept my partner interested but the human flaw/sin of greed swept them away.

If i could tell you all about my life and why i know right from wrong, the struggles i have faced from such a young age, to be the strong "warrior" i see in the mirror today, i dont expect your to bother to hear my story, its too long to write tbh and i dont expect you to think of me any differently than a piece of text with a name next to it on your computer screen but to look deep in your heart and you tell me what you think is right and wrong.

We may never have met and we may never, you think very little of me, but little do you know that i will effect your life, just by you reading this.


an example of right and wrong.

Imagine its the end of the world.
and its you and a poor kid.

You are told that there is a golden temple that is full of food, water and fruit and a pool. and for whatever reason only one of you can get there.

The other option is to await the end with a cigarette and water bottle.

The right thing to do is to give that poor kid, the chance to feel happy.
which in turn will give you happiness knowing that you have made somebody else happy before you meet the end (relation to my signature)

The wrong thing to do is to shove that kid to floor and head for the golden temple, you will be happy for the time that your there but your last thoughts will be, oh # what about the poor kid and then BOOM!

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im not sure if you have ever been cheated on, or had a girlfriend or do as i type, but i know that if they cheated on you, you would feel upset, and ill have you know that i forgave both of them for cheating on me on more than one occasion just to be the one who got dumped in the end.

I never cheated, i never will.
I wont hurt someone emotionally like that and i never will.

sorry if this is moving off topic

Originally posted by ShadowZion
sometimes i worry for the the human race, so lets say that a 13 year old girl was reproductivly mature, btw that is the age most girls experience periods (in my knowledge) which would make her reproductivly mature.....

so basically you would have relations with a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD........

You make me sick

Are you really dense enough that you don't know the difference between attraction and "relations?"

I also worry about the human race when such stupidity is so common place.

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Hi Partygirl

Sad story. But proves once more that the law often has nothing to do with so called Natural Law, or if You prefere morality, etics etc.
Especially the todays law,( blind about real evil lurking behind many "legally accepted" stories) which is more concerned about "the authors rights protection" (read: the multinationals unjustified gains protection), or some flimsy trademarks (since long being put on "made in china" products )
Or on enforcing - "hate speach free","politically correct" language...
Sorry for my english s& f

California's child porn ban, punishable by up to three years in prison, "requires a real child to have actually engaged in or simulated the sexual act depicted," said the Sixth District Court of Appeal in San Jose.

Gerber was sentenced to 13 years and four months in prison before his conviction was overturned.

Everyone please get Your panties out of a bunch. The father while being acquitted on the non-crime of pasting his daughters face on adult nude bodies is still going to be serving 10 years for his actual crimes.

Court records show Gerber eventually convinced J. to allow him to take pictures of her — sometimes wearing only a bra and underwear — in exchange for supplying the preteen with more coc aine.

This is the part that I find even more disturbing. This child seems to be already damaged as she would let someone do something to her that she found disturbing,distasteful,violating, etc.. in exchange for drugs.

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For once I disagree with ya Boon.

At 13/14 vs. 13/34, its a huge difference. A kid is a kid.

An adult should not get turned on by a kid that is obviously a kid.

That is providing that one can "observe" the kid is a kid.

Sometimes all you get is a gut feeling

that "things arent what they seem".

Originally posted by Heliocentric

Originally posted by sonnny1
I find it sick,disgusting,and perverse to stick a photo of "YOUR" child's head on a porn photo. This father should have his children taken away,before his sick "fantasy's" end up costing his,or someone elses child their innocence.IMHO This is sick.

And you have the right to think so, as long as you don't take action upon your opinions.

Just as this father does not have the right to impose his sexual fantasies on his daughter, you do not have the right to impose your moral values on him.

There are people out there who think homosexuality is sick, disgusting and perverse. Like you, they find little understanding and have no tolerance for (sexual) deviances, suppression is the evident way for them to deal with it.

Turn the clock back a century or more, and these people were in power in the western world, forcing their 'moral' norms on anything deviant. A homosexual would end up in prison, if he was caught. We've come from far to create a more humane society in which we can tolerate deviances, as long as these deviances do not force themselves upon others.

Originally posted by ShadowZion
i firmly believe that if religion was still in everybody's fear, sick and twisted inhumane acts such as this would not be happening.

Right! Remember Deuteronomy 22:23-24:

If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,
you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

Capital punishment for all you adulterers out there! There will be a loot of people on death row...

edit on 12-6-2011 by Heliocentric because: Falling to the ground, I watch a leaf settle down In a bed of brown.

Actually most pedophiles begin their fantasy's at a young age.Their have been studies on it. This has nothing to do about homosexuality. We as a human race have evolved,as you have so eloquently pointed out. The problem is when fantasy turns to reality,and studies state that this happens.Crimes of opportunity,and in this case,whats more opportune than his own daughter,in his own house. No way you can justify it. If my child was hurt in ANY WAY,You better believe justice would be served,harshly,by me.His fantasys would be the last thing,he would be thinking of. MHO

Well then, I guess we're going to just have to wait till this piece of dirt rapes, and kills his daughter. Just so we can lock this guy up.
No such thing as protecting the innocent
GREAT GOING AMERICA!

Originally posted by Maslo
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I believe anyone that wants to punish people for consentual sex is not right in the head. I am sorry that you were cheated on, but it is you who should be to blame, for not being able to keep your partner interested. You do not own him/her. If you think people have to be punished for cheating, then your sense of morality is greatly distorted, and you have little authority to lecture us about right and wrong.

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Wow, your moral and ethical senses are superbly developed. Blame the cheatee, but not the cheater. Blame the victim, but not the offender ...

I'd say you need a screwdriver, but not for your furniture

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Your comment is not off topic at all. You're exposing the ones that feel no empathy. Funny enough it is them that are trying to defend the father, who isn't even worth that name.