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Originally posted by Soldier of God
How do you know what God's ultimate plans are? Do you claim to know what he is thinking? From the sounds of your post you don't believe the Bible anyway so why question something you don't believe in?
No human "wisdom" can even begin to understand the complexities of God... he may surprise you.
Originally posted by Soldier of God
How do you know what God's ultimate plans are? Do you claim to know what he is thinking? From the sounds of your post you don't believe the Bible anyway so why question something you don't believe in?
No human "wisdom" can even begin to understand the complexities of God... he may surprise you.
Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by sprocket2cog
The OP is not sincerely questioning this. He's making a comic attempt to say God is stupid and Satan is the winner.
Some religions claim that salvation can be attained by using only inner human resources such as meditation, accumulation of wisdom, asceticism, rituals, or good deeds. Other religions teach that humans can be saved only through the grace granted by an external personal agent (Gods, bodhisattvas, Avatars, etc.)
"Salvation" in Islam refers to the eventual entrance to heaven. The word does not cover the possible entry to hellfire, or the different levels of hellfire and heaven. The Quran teaches that the only thing guaranteeing no salvation is a disbelief in the “One God”; associating others with God,
Eventually, however, one is able to escape from saṃsāra, the cycle of death and rebirth, through the attainment of the highest spiritual state. This state is called moksha (or mukti) in Hinduism, Sac Khand in Sikhism, moksa or nirvana in Jainism and often called nirvāṇa in Buddhism. This state is not one of individual happiness but often a merging of oneself with collective existence
Originally posted by sprocket2cog
reply to post by SaberTruth
Salvation is only a pass or fail if you belive in jesus only if your destination is the heaven of his father.
Salvation in its self can lead to the Source of eternal life outside of the Christian constructs fo faith in jesus and the biblical heaven...
Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by SaturnFX
I clearly stated my point and I'll ask you... Do you claim to know the mind of God?
If your answer is no then you don't know what His plans are and can only make assumptions.
Originally posted by sprocket2cog
No , was just pointing out that salvation has many paths, and not every path that dosnt include jesus leads to hell.
But sorry if i offended you by directing it at you. i by no means judge you by your faith.
Just debating ideas, its what makes it fun
so was just showing you a diffrent view in case you hadnt seen it before.
you understand my intent wasnt to misguide you,
Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by sprocket2cog
The OP is not sincerely questioning this. He's making a comic attempt to say God is stupid and Satan is the winner.
Why would God not put forward a successful marketing plan?
It should have been quite easy for him. He had all the answers to any survey question he could have asked in order to gage the best approach to winning the hearts and minds of the population. Omnipotence includes infinite powers of persuasion and any sales or marketing man will know that with that at hand, anyone could deal with any objections to the sale, which is usually the only hindrance to the sale. In this case, selling us on the notion that he is God and should be followed.
I find it quite strange that at the end of days, Satan will be sitting there in hell gloating over the fact that God has only a small % of all the souls he has created even as scripture says he created all of those souls perfect.
Poor God could not get out of heaven in the beginning without losing Satan and 1/3 of God’s angels. He could not get out of Eden without losing Adam and Eve. He could not impress all those of Noah’s day. Not even the dumb animals and even today, he is losing most of us to secular law instead of Biblical law.
Adam and Eve should have been a trophy for God as they did exactly what scripture says we should all do. Learn of good and evil and emulate him and be as bright as Gods. Yet when Adam and Eve became as Gods, God showed great displeasure and cursed everybody up and down including the earth. This I find really strange but then, God works in mysterious ways. Perhaps that includes being a loser to Satan.
Does God need a new marketing man to reverse his dismal showing?
Originally posted by Soldier of God
How do you know what God's ultimate plans are? Do you claim to know what he is thinking? From the sounds of your post you don't believe the Bible anyway so why question something you don't believe in?
No human "wisdom" can even begin to understand the complexities of God... he may surprise you.